Selling my Soul

[BugCatcher6]

I know it sounds harsh, but hear me out. My breeding skills were requested on another site, stop right there I am not leaving PokeFarm, however someone saw a few of my IV bred Pokemon and requested that I do a build for him and I would receive a killer IV Pokemon in return. Sounds good so far, but I know my Pokemon would be cloned repeatedly to give away in future trades for even more special Pokemon and items. I am just stuck on what to do. I don't like cloning. Would breeding for this person be wrong. I know it will be cloned after it is complete. I just have to say no. But it is nice to get noticed for my breeding on a hardcore site like the one that wants me to breed for them.

[BugCatcher6]

I just thought I would show some of my IV bred Pokemon that got people interested in me as a breeder.

HP / ATK / DEF / SP. ATK / SP. DEF / SPD
Happiny 31 / 27 / 22 / 31 / 23 / 30
Slowpoke 28 / 26 / 27 / 31 / 31 / 12
Yanma 23 / 12 / 28 / 30 / 31 / 30
Yanmega 28 / 31 / 28 / 22 / 31 / 30

[nana nettie]

I know it sounds harsh, but hear me out. My breeding skills were requested on another site, stop right there I am not leaving PokeFarm, however someone saw a few of my IV bred Pokemon and requested that I do a build for him and I would receive a killer IV Pokemon in return. Sounds good so far, but I know my Pokemon would be cloned repeatedly to give away in future trades for even more special Pokemon and items. I am just stuck on what to do. I don't like cloning. Would breeding for this person be wrong. I know it will be cloned after it is complete. I just have to say no. But it is nice to get noticed for my breeding on a hardcore site like the one that wants me to breed for them.

Stop right there young man! No soul selling allowed :( I think you need to do a little soul searching instead :)
That's all Nana has to say :wink:

[Gamegeezer]

If there's doubt in the process, then just don't do it at all. If you think you might regret it for a second, don't even think about doing it at all. And i know you don't want to be a big contributor to pokemon on steroids floating around, all with the same I.D. and crack-ed-up stats. Takes the fun out of pokemon, once everyone has the same stuff and they didn't put their best efforts into it. But hey, that's just me, i mean i know it's good to be acknowledged and feel needed, but i'm sure you'll come up with your own conclusion. And why are all your threads names so dramatically depressing......i get a heart attack just reading the titles, lol. :lol:

[BugCatcher6]

Yeah I don't intend on doing it. When I asked about a trade on that site and they said go to my traders thread, right there I was like trader you mean breeder. They basically have people breed their Pokemon and they give them something in return and then clone out the bred Pokemon and then proceed to trade them for more people to want and if they can't give something for them, well don't worry you can breed for us or EV train for us.

Kinda like the Pokemon Black Market. I take it that the first round of breeding is not to intense. Get me this Pokemon with this Nature and this IV and you can pick a prize. Next breeder comes along oh you can pay for this, here take this Pokemon and breed it for this IV and keep the Nature, and this process will go on until you have super Pokemon.

Just felt good for someone to see my Pokemon and say, wow we want you. I get that alot here, but it is more for move-sets and Pokemon chosen. Plus I thought with so many farms popping up, it may be time to add a new event to my show.

Oh that gives me an idea now he-he.

[Gamegeezer]

>.< Still doesn't explain the titles.....:lol:

[nana nettie]

Boy am I glad that I didn't have to use my Christmas money for a plane ticket......:)

[Gamegeezer]

Hahahahahhaha..................>.> I am >.<

[nana nettie]

Did I understand you geezer....You're getting a plane ticket?
WooHoo....:)

[Gamegeezer]

Yeah, i got sites to see.......and places to go.........people to visit and what have you......

>.>
<.<
>.<

*cough* Ahem..........anyways, this thread is about Buzz, so yeah, what's with the titles anywho's?

[BugCatcher6]

Yeah, i got sites to see.......and places to go.........people to visit and what have you......

>.>
<.<
>.<

*cough* Ahem..........anyways, this thread is about Buzz, so yeah, what's with the titles anywho's?

No reason for the title. I figured if I bred Pokemon for a clone trader then I might as well sell my soul. I believe everyone knows my cloning issues. I don't have a problem with it, but it is not my choice.

[Gamegeezer]

Hmmm............i see. Just don't like cloning eh. Well, technically, your not the one doing the cloning, so theoretically, your not selling souls........erm, soul. If we follow what you just stated, so i think your good. Although, it's not just this title with a dramatically depressing wording, there are others.......>.>

[Viscosity]

This might sound kind of weird since in the end this is all just a game, but if for one minute they're going to disrespect your hard work and dedication, then they don't deserve to have your pokemon! To me, it doesn't matter if a pokemon has high IVs. For all you know, the pokemon they're offering you is just a clone of another breeder's hard work.

You're great at what you do Buzz, so I hope you will give yourself and other breeders their due respect and refuse that trader's offer.

[Leith]

Hmmm............i see. Just don't like cloning eh. Well, technically, your not the one doing the cloning, so theoretically, your not selling souls........erm, soul. If we follow what you just stated, so i think your good. Although, it's not just this title with a dramatically depressing wording, there are others.......>.>
Actually, if you trade to someone knowing that they are going to clone the Pokemon that you trade, then you might as well have been doing the cloning yourself.
An extreme example is that if you sold a gun that killed people, that you are just as responsible for there deaths as the shooters.

Besides that, there is little in the Pokemon games with value.
The only thing worth anything are Pokemon with high IVs as everything else can be cloned.
If you give in to people that are so willing to destroy the value of the Pokemon you bread, then you are no better then them.

That said I am glad that you are not going through with the deal.
You provide a good role model to the farmers, and farmers to be that are on this website and that visit this website everyday.

[BugCatcher6]

Actually, if you trade to someone knowing that they are going to clone the Pokemon that you trade, then you might as well have been doing the cloning yourself.
An extreme example is that if you sold a gun that killed people, that you are just as responsible for there deaths as the shooters.

Besides that, there is little in the Pokemon games with value.
The only thing worth anything are Pokemon with high IVs as everything else can be cloned.
If you give in to people that are so willing to destroy the value of the Pokemon you bread, then you are no better then them.

That said I am glad that you are not going through with the deal.
You provide a good role model to the farmers, and farmers to be that are on this website and that visit this website everyday.

I totally disagree with that. If I sold a gun and the person went out and shot someone, I am not responsible for that, would I feel bad yes. If I sold someone a car and they go out and run someone over or wreck killing someone, does that mean I was to blame because I sold him the means to do the deed?

[timmyeatsfood]

I totally disagree with that. If I sold a gun and the person went out and shot someone, I am not responsible for that, would I feel bad yes. If I sold someone a car and they go out and run someone over or wreck killing someone, does that mean I was to blame because I sold him the means to do the deed?

if you sold the gun knowing full well that the person your giving it to will kill someone with it, and you have a choice to not give him the gun, but you give it to him anyways, then you would, in part, be to blame, but for the most part it would be his fault.

and i wouldn't go through with this deal. i get a bad vibe about it.

i'm okay with cloning legendaries, cause they're all pretty much the same, but a pokemon bred with heart and soul is unique, and cloning it for distribution or for whatever purpose is, in my opinion, very wrong.

[BugCatcher6]

if you sold the gun knowing full well that the person your giving it to will kill someone with it, and you have a choice to not give him the gun, but you give it to him anyways, then you would, in part, be to blame, but for the most part it would be his fault.

and i wouldn't go through with this deal. i get a bad vibe about it.

i'm okay with cloning legendaries, cause they're all pretty much the same, but a pokemon bred with heart and soul is unique, and cloning it for distribution or for whatever purpose is, in my opinion, very wrong.

You should see their Legendaries then. They have like Mewtwo's with 31 IVs in 3 or 4 stats. All legit, just cloned.

I don't believe Leith's post said, that knowing someone was buying the gun to kill someone, but I guess that should have been a given. Taken what the topic was about.

[juaco]

so...you are leaving this forum? for one better?

[BugCatcher6]

so...you are leaving this forum? for one better?

No. There are no better forums.

[toys4life]

No. There are no better forums.

A MEN!!!

Buzz your preaching to the choir!!!

This is the best forums hands down. The thing that makes this site so great is the people...everyone here is so nice...

As for the sad thought that anyone in any type of retail business from guns, cars, or even fluffy soft sufficating pillows may be responsible for killing someone...I look at it like this...if you are unconfortable with cloneing then you shouldn't do it...once it's cloned, that's it, it will be everywhere.

I still don't know how I feel about cloning. My main reason is because I don't like the fact that once you transfer Pokemon from the older games that there gone. I want to play with my old pokemon in diamond and pearl but I don't want to take them out of the other games...I haven't finished those games yet and so yeah if I could clone my older games I would. Not for trading but just for me.

Who knew that pokemon would become so big that you would have to worry about black market pokemon. :sad:

Can we all just get along...and breed some pokemon for fun! :wink:

[nana nettie]

Can we all just get along...and breed some pokemon for fun!
__________________
[= [__] =] Joby


I breed for fun....you should have seen my babies last night.....proof, that it's all for fun..;)

[Magma Krystal]

Buzz, you're the one who's always saying cloning is wrong, SO DON'T DO IT! If you were to sell a guy a gun, you would be responsible if he told you that he would kill someone with it. If you didn't know this person would clone the pokes, you wouldn't be responsible, but you do know what he will do with it!

That site doesn't sound PokeTrustworthy at all. Don't sell your soul, cause you'd probably get so much money back from selling it your house would explode with cash.:wink:

[WestCoastNinja]

i know the site that buzz is talking about and yeah for every 1 decent person there is 10 jerks but that dosent mean all of them are evil. if 2 people breed a pokemon with god like stats and want to trade clones with each other so they both have something great whats so wrong about that?

[toys4life]

i know the site that buzz is talking about and yeah for every 1 decent person there is 10 jerks but that dosent mean all of them are evil. if 2 people breed a pokemon with god like stats and want to trade clones with each other so they both have something great whats so wrong about that?

I guess it is just what the individuals intentions are...

Say if your son owns diamond and you own pearl but you and your son both want Palkia and Dialga I personally do not want to beat the game 3 times just to get both of them for each of us. So I admit I cloned them for us...I know shame shame...I've been living with the guilt. :oops:

But! I don't even use them. I just wanted to have them both...so in that case I don't think it's that bad cause it doesn't hurt anybody.

In most cases you can't use legendaries in battle...you can't breed them...so basically they are just in the game to frustrate you...example the legendary dogs...I'm never gonna get a legit set of all 3 dogs because I don't have the time to play that game for hours just so I can catch one legendary dog and then reset it and do it all over again...plus IF you get one from the GTS or from any forum they are probably hacked or cloned cause who in the world would play for hours and then give it away...I'm sure that there are a few cases where the legendaries are legit but I'm sure the ratio small.

Sorry for the rambling I guess I've carried around the guilt of cloning to long. I just hate how difficult it is to get certain pokemon.

I need to lay down on my fluffy pillow...

[Gamegeezer]

Well, just like the legendary pokemon, EV/IV/Whatevers won't be worth so much effort (just how the legendaries are right now, i mean come on, darkrai is a joke now thanks to the cloning hack). Heck, the game itself will lose all meaning. Meh, i dunno anymore...........i've lost interest now.

[BugCatcher6]

That is what I am thinking. If I breed for an uber IV Pokemon, why would I want to give it away and have it cloned for other people to use against me. Now I offered great IV Yanma not to long ago, but they were not the cream of that crop. I saved the best for me and traded away nice IVs, but not the best.

It just felt good to have other breeders, that breed for massive IVs see my work and say dang your good.

I guess by the So you want to be Master Breeder standards, I have now entered the Master Breeder category. I have learned all I could and can breed anything I want. I still want to learn more though. There has got to be more to learn.

You know how hard it is going to be for me to keep topping my last build? I don't think I will be able to beat the Yanma build. Both parents had 3 IVs of 30 or 31. One of the babies I kept looked like this

HP / ATK / DEF / SP. ATK / SP. DEF / SPD

Draugo: 23 / 12 / 28 / 30 / 31 / 30

That is a beast.

[belnumcree]

Idk, but what bothers me the most about cloning is the fact that it's completely clogging up GTS. (only reason I can think of that everyone would ask for a Lv 9 mew)

Not bashing cloners, but I hate that I can't find a pokemon I'm looking for. :(

[Viscosity]

Idk, but what bothers me the most about cloning is the fact that it's completely clogging up GTS. (only reason I can think of that everyone would ask for a Lv 9 mew)

Not bashing cloners, but I hate that I can't find a pokemon I'm looking for. :(

I totally agree with you. How am I going to trade my awesome Bidoof!?

[BugCatcher6]

I totally agree with you. How am I going to trade my awesome Bidoof!?

That is what gets me with GTS. How can people offer a Wurmple and want a Level 100 Mewtwo?


I started this post to vent out my frustration on being offered an opportunity to show off my breeding skill, only to have it soiled by cloning. I never expected that I would be selling guns to murders. Wow and geezer said my thread title was scary.

[Viscosity]

Well Buzz, I think in the end, you just really want to meet more breeders who are above or beyond your own level of breeding. Sometimes it's good to be acknowledged for your work from other pros in your field.

Just remember: For every legit breeder out there, there's two cheaters who want to take advantage of your hard work. Don't let their compliments blind you from your ideals.

[BugCatcher6]

Well Buzz, I think in the end, you just really want to meet more breeders who are above or beyond your own level of breeding. Sometimes it's good to be acknowledged for your work from other pros in your field.

Just remember: For every legit breeder out there, there's two cheaters who want to take advantage of your hard work. Don't let their compliments blind you from your ideals.

Truthfully I don't know what I was looking for. There are alot of breeders here that I admire for what they can do. I think with the other site, I was a nobody. I could go on the forum and not be PM'd to death with questions, don't get me wrong I love that I am a source of information. I just thought when I wrote my So you want to be a Master Breeder guide, some of the PMs would stop. I still get PMs asking me questions the guide answers. I still see threads being posted with questions the guide answers. Makes me wonder why I wrote it. I know it is easier to just as the question instead of seeking the answer. I did that for along time on Serebii and other forums. Then I grew tired of always asking how. I did massive searches online for information. I wrote down what was important. I read it once, twice, and sometimes 100 times until it was seeded in my brain. I guess that is what maybe gets me, there is information that is hard to find online and it takes time to find it, but the information is out there. I would love to look at a thread and have it read like I am having problems with this and after looking at a few sites this is all I could find and it does not help. It shows that they really want to know.

I think my biggest problem is my OCD. I could just say hey PokéFarm will make it a day without me, but I log on anyway and check every new post and answer every PM. Truth be told this is the only place that I am not told to shut up already about Pokémon.

You wanna know how deep my obsession runs?

So bad that I looked up ALT Codes to learn how to make é when writing the word Pokémon. So deep that I debate with myself over if I should capitalize the p in Pokémon when I am just talking about the game name as in Pokémon Pearl or let it lower cased when talking about the pokémon Dustox. I guess I am just a master debater. I could not pass that up.

Oh I took a very large sleeping pill like 2 hours ago and I am still awake and I think it has made me very giddy. I don't get giddy.

[Viscosity]

Addressing capitalization: Capitalize when using it as a proper noun.

Addressing everything else: That's what happens when you're a MOD, silly billy (trust me, I know). This is the typical MOD-related stress. For many newbies this will be their very first forum they have ever joined. Compounded with the fact that the majority of them will be young, the first thing they'll use is the "New Thread" button before even noticing the Search Function. Just keep cool and don't be upset with yourself. If they don't understand something, it's not your fault. They look up to you as a role model and view you as a cool guy they want to learn from.

Plus the Merge Thread feature does wonders. :)

Edit: Imagining you "giddy" is sort of scary...

[BugCatcher6]

Addressing capitalization: Capitalize when using it as a proper noun.

Addressing everything else: That's what happens when you're a MOD, silly billy (trust me, I know). This is the typical MOD-related stress. For many newbies this will be their very first forum they have ever joined. Compounded with the fact that the majority of them will be young, the first thing they'll use is the "New Thread" button before even noticing the Search Function. Just keep cool and don't be upset with yourself. If they don't understand something, it's not your fault. They look up to you as a role model and view you as a cool guy they want to learn from.

Plus the Merge Thread feature does wonders. :)

Edit: Imagining you "giddy" is sort of scary...

Biggest thing is and I am sure people have seen it, some days I am not in my usual perky, cheerful mood and I would love to just tell someone what the real deal is and then I can't because it is not proper for me as a MOD to do. I think I should start being more truthful with people. When they come at me complaining about a warning I gave to them such as one I had awhile back about insulting another member. One member said he felt bad for criticizing a member in a PM because he did not know something about the member. With putting it in a post that lets me as a MOD see that he insulted another member, which I gave a warning. He continued to PM me saying I was wrong and I was to show him where I found this information. I showed him the post and he said I can't use that as insulting someone. I said he posted he criticized a member, but they alter resolved their issue in a PM. I said that constitute that you said something mean and then apologized, that is why I gave a warning and not an infraction. Well he spent the next hour and a half PMing me telling me I was wrong, so I upgraded it from a warning to an infraction.

I could have fixed it with one statement and stopped the argument right there. The reason for the warning was this and it stands because I am a MOD and I say so. Not a nice thing for a MOD to say, but that is how I felt after being told I was wrong for an hour.

[Viscosity]

I could have fixed it with one statement and stopped the argument right there. The reason for the warning was this and it stands because I am a MOD and I say so. Not a nice thing for a MOD to say, but that is how I felt after being told I was wrong for an hour.

That's usually my attitude when I have to work. I give a warning and that's the end of it, I don't really care what the reason was or what possible excuse could be given. In the end, as a moderator, you have to make decisions based on your professional judgment. No one is going to say "Thank you for warning me!" But it's best not to let it get to you.

( Personally, I don't reply back to excuses unless there's really something that would change my decision. )

[Nak]

Rofl, gigiddy-giddy. jk XD And lol, I have those debates too, Buzz. XD Whether or not Pokemon is a proper noun or not, lol

[BugCatcher6]

Truth be told as a MOD I can only go by what physical evidence is in front of me. I could PM to find out what the deal is, but I don't think I would get the whole story. I give warnings which do nothing but warn and people go off, so then I usually go with my initial thought of infraction. Arguing with a MOD is not the best possible way to present your case. Giving warnings I don't see why people get so angry, but I know who I have warned and that leads to infractions for small offenses, because they have received warnings before. Plus I think giving a warning only gives the person the thinking that hey this MOD is light, lets do this.

I gave a warning about posting in the wrong section and 10 minutes after the warning a member posted in the same section and his post was, I just wanted to see how many post a thread about nothing would get. I just warned in a post about it, and I know the member saw it, and it was like he was kicking sand in my face and taunting.

I guess the biggest thing and I should have told dan the man this. He complained that I gave a member a warning in his thread he started, I don't know why this offended him, but it did. I should have told him and the others that posted there and said I should start doing warnings in PMs. There are two types of warnings. 1 is from the infraction tab, which is not a good warning and the 2nd is where I post telling you not to that again. I post it in the thread where the infraction happened only so other members see it and hopefully think wow I did not know that was a problem.

[Viscosity]

This probably isn't the most appropriate to discuss "proper MOD procedure," but I think as long as you're assertive and consistent, you're fine. New members might not see it right away and will quickly categorize you as a meany, but eventually they learn that yes, they were in fact wrong and that you were in fact in the right for giving a warning.

Remember, these members aren't out to get you. They make mistakes b/c they are not paying attention. Correct them when they are wrong, do not acknowledge unfounded excuses, and move on.

I think you're doing a great job at moderating, Buzz. Sometimes moderators have to be the bad guy and enforce the rules. That's all part of the job description and sooner or later each new member will accept that.

[BugCatcher6]

This probably isn't the most appropriate to discuss "proper MOD procedure," but I think as long as you're assertive and consistent, you're fine. New members might not see it right away and will quickly categorize you as a meany, but eventually they learn that yes, they were in fact wrong and that you were in fact in the right for giving a warning.

Remember, these members aren't out to get you. They make mistakes b/c they are not paying attention. Correct them when they are wrong, do not acknowledge unfounded excuses, and move on.

I think you're doing a great job at moderating, Buzz. Sometimes moderators have to be the bad guy and enforce the rules. That's all part of the job description and sooner or later each new member will accept that.

Yeah I don't like talking MOD stuff in open threads, there is a mod only sub-forum. That would leave me and Nak to talk and that could be a small conversation.

I am going to close this thread and let it fade guys. I hope it goes away quickly.