A Poll to change it all

[BugCatcher6]

With the level of competitive battling on the rise, some new ideas are being thrown around. I would like to bring one into the forum and get everyone to vote.

So here is the question.

Gym Leaders can switch whenever they like. No waiting for the opponent to switch first. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[belnumcree]

I've been in a couple of battles where my opponent couldn't do anything because they were locked into an ineffective pokemon. Then again some members would be completely baffled with switching. This would be so much easier if there was a way to differentiate.

[Babael]

I think letting the gym leader switch, is fair. After all I know I have a tendency to switch constantly to attempt to get an upper hand on the situation, so I don't mind, especially since I like to set up hazards, lol.

[timmyeatsfood]

seems totally fair.

i don't know if i'd feel right battling someone who isn't allowed to switch when i can.

the only problem is it would make the gym badges harder to get, but i guess that just makes them more desirable.

so i say go for it. :)

[DestinyDestroyer]

i don't like switching out pokemon at all really, it would seem more fair in a way if there was no switching at all in that way it would be like a knock out battle where you keep a pokemon out until it faints and only then can you bring in a new pokemon. so i guess in my opinion it should either anyone can switch whenever or no one can switch ever.

[BlondinieNZ]

what about no switching at all for challegenger or leader that could make things could get interesting and make people think more about there strategy

[nagib_253]

yeah that rule should apply for the gym leader system and for the mine gym tournament i prefer that not the gym leader and the challenger coultn change so it is fair for both.bugcacther6 why not make each gym have their own rules like one double battle or things like that..

[DestinyDestroyer]

i wish there was a gym in pearl/diamond that was double then at least there would be a gym that did double battles.

[BugCatcher6]

Every Gym is suppose to mirror the game. I personally don't like to switch Pokemon during battles, but there have been times when I wish I could. Waiting for your opponent to switch first does handicap us some. I have even not switched my Pokemon after my opponent switches, it all depends on the setup. A double battle Gym would be a good idea, but that would almost make which ever Gym Leader wanted to be the doubles Gym, have to build a new team or a partial team. Double battles are completely different and would not just mean grabbing 6 Pokemon and battling. There are combos and mixes that would have to be worked on.

[Viscosity]

In terms of double battling, I think that should be up to the Gym leaders to decide whether or not to start using double battles. Who knows, maybe we can make a third set of badges just for that. ;)

Personally I like the "no switching rule" just b/c I feel it mirrors the game & the cartoon a little bit more. It also does put the gym leaders at a handicap, but I think switching might also cause the battles to be unnecessarily prolonged as each opponent tries to constantly switch pokemon to get either a type advantage or whatever else.

I think it's fine with the opponent switching first. Gym leaders don't have to immediately switch, right? Like, if a challenger switches at the beginning of the battle, a Gym Leader can save their "permission to switch" all the way to the end, right?

[Slizer107]

I think that it should be both single and double. Like you can decide what type the battle is. Cos if your team has people have a double team like lunaturn and solrock, them to together can kick. So i think you can make a decision.

[FatherGoblin]

I voted no, but then I am surprised gym leaders would even want to switch.

How long does an average battle take?
How many battles can you get through in a week?

If gym leaders can switch at will, battles will be longer and you will win more often.

This may not sound that bad at first, but when everyone takes 3 or more attempts to defeat your gym, being a gym leader might become a lot less fun.

[Slizer107]

Its not only the gym leaders that work on stratergy, plus they build there pokemon to withstand there weakneses.

[Jats605]

I think they should be able to switch out because that challenges the challenger to think fast counter what the gym leader sent out.does that make scence?

[belnumcree]

It does Jats. It would require the challengers to really amp up their game.

Maybe it should be either a rule that the Gym Leader decides or something worked out on a per battle basis. (I know that would make prep time tougher for the Gym leaders though.)

[Slizer107]

I rlly dont like thsi, cos the new members or members who have just worked rlly hard on a new team like me. Rnt ready for this sort of rule. It means that getting a badge is even harder. Thou i spose if i was a gym leader i would want to switch 2.

[Xr.]

I'm in favor of a no-switch for gym leaders, for reasons that have already been stated.
The E4 could be allowed to switch since it's 31337, though.

That said, I probably won't battle (or not much) so that's really up to the leaders. Keep in mind that hard games aren't fun for everyone (I always avoided them until I was 18)

[BugCatcher6]

I just wonder, if you win knowing that the Gym Leaders are handicapped, does that make you feel like you battled your best?

[Slizer107]

I just wonder, if you win knowing that the Gym Leaders are handicapped, does that make you feel like you battled your best?

Well leaders have got where they are beacause they can cope with handy cap, like areleayer i was handycapped with some1 using 5 dragon dances on me, i crushed there pokemon hehe.

[juaco]

basically some menber opinions are making easier they chance to win?

that how actually they think? if i said something wrong please tell me.....

about the double battles i cant be agree...why?

because double battles involve a new system of battles...strategies, moves pokemons, and is totally and complete diferent from single...not every trainer can stand out on double battles...

[belnumcree]

Well leaders have got where they are beacause they can cope with handy cap, like areleayer i was handycapped with some1 using 5 dragon dances on me, i crushed there pokemon hehe.

Being limited to two types is a handicap as well. There are ways to limit the handicap, but it is a handicap none-the-less.

[Slizer107]

Hmm i spose, but i cant change my vote =(

[FatherGoblin]

What if this vote had a third option?

What if gym leaders only get a limited number of switches?

I was thinking of a number like 3.

[Babael]

I have felt my matches were a bit easy, though the only gym leader I've faced that took full advantage of the switching was WCN and I won that match by that match by the skin of my teeth. Focus sash saved me, if it weren't for that I would have lost. So they should be able to switch, it'll make the matches more challenging, and will force challenger to think about their strategy more.

[BugCatcher6]

Like I said, usually the first person to do the switch gets the advantage. If you have 6 Pokemon that know a Ground and or Fighting attack, not many Switches an Electric/Normal Gym Leader can switch to. So that is why I don't like to switch much and if I do I have to be completely sure of the opponents moves. The only bad thing about only having 2 weaknesses in my Gym is the fact that they are pretty common moves.

[Babael]

Like I said, usually the first person to do the switch gets the advantage. If you have 6 Pokemon that know a Ground and or Fighting attack, not many Switches an Electric/Normal Gym Leader can switch to. So that is why I don't like to switch much and if I do I have to be completely sure of the opponents moves. The only bad thing about only having 2 weaknesses in my Gym is the fact that they are pretty common moves.

Yeah, you guy's are really restricted, when I compare you to the League I come from. There we had duel types, but we had gym starters, three of each gym type, and the only rule that our leaders are bound to are: "# Gym Leaders and Apprentices must have a minimum of three (3) pokemon of their gym's types, and all three may not be all the same type. For example, the Psychic/Flying gym may not have three Psychic types as their required pokemon. An exception is made, however, for a pokemon such as Xatu, because it's type is Psychic/Flying. If a pokemon has both of your required types, it can count as either type." Their other three are any pokemon they want. I still find it surprising that so many people, seem to have trouble beating the gym leader.

[puffdaddy]

Although it is only fair that gym leaders get to switch, the main reason I like to fight for the badge is for this reason. Not that I take advantage of this fact, but because every body I fight now switches, and I HATE switching, so when I fight gym leaders, I don't switch as well, both to make it fair, and to have a fun match. :D

[Jota]

no one should be allow to swicth pokemon in battle.

or everyone should be allow to swicth pokemon in battle.

you should add that option to the poll and start from zero with a new poll.

[puffdaddy]

Also, the gym leaders and the league can't switch in game, so we should try to make it antique.

[BugCatcher6]

Well I like this thread so far. It seems alot of people are o.k. with the Gym Leaders being handicapped. The next rule the League is working on will kill ya then.

As babael said, the League Judge has been toying with the notion to make it as long as you have 3 of your Gym type Pokemon, the rest can be whatever. This again kinda handicaps my Electrics, but leaves room for 1 Slot to be free for a Pokemon of my Choosing. Only dual types for Electric is Steel, Water, and Ghost. I guess if we could make a rule that Gym Leaders could have 1 Legendary and I could do Electric/Flying, I am joking I can't stand using Legendaries.

I also have to mention this again. I don't like switching in battle, but it has saved me a time or 2, babael has got to be the master of it though. I see it as if the rule is removed my tactics will change very little, but it still gives me an option.

Also like I said, I would not feel right winning a Gym Badge knowing the Gym Leader was handicapped. That is nothing against those that have won badges. Most of the people that won badges in my Gym have earned them no matter the rules.


Also, the gym leaders and the league can't switch in game, so we should try to make it antique.

Most of the Gyms in the game also only have like 3 Pokemon. Should we do 3 vs 6 to make it fair?

[puffdaddy]

Most of the Gyms in the game also only have like 3 Pokemon. Should we do 3 vs 6 to make it fair?

Please and thank you! :D

[juaco]

Well I like this thread so far. It seems alot of people are o.k. with the Gym Leaders being handicapped. The next rule the League is working on will kill ya then.

As babael said, the League Judge has been toying with the notion to make it as long as you have 3 of your Gym type Pokemon, the rest can be whatever. This again kinda handicaps my Electrics, but leaves room for 1 Slot to be free for a Pokemon of my Choosing. Only dual types for Electric is Steel, Water, and Ghost. I guess if we could make a rule that Gym Leaders could have 1 Legendary and I could do Electric/Flying, I am joking I can't stand using Legendaries.

I also have to mention this again. I don't like switching in battle, but it has saved me a time or 2, babael has got to be the master of it though. I see it as if the rule is removed my tactics will change very little, but it still gives me an option.

Also like I said, I would not feel right winning a Gym Badge knowing the Gym Leader was handicapped. That is nothing against those that have won badges. Most of the people that won badges in my Gym have earned them no matter the rules.



Most of the Gyms in the game also only have like 3 Pokemon. Should we do 3 vs 6 to make it fair?

i agree...the gym leader of the forum cant copy all the thing to be the most similar to diamond/pearl game...

buzz i have a good one....what is next open battle with a restric level for us? hehehe.....jk

i was thinking in this rules at least to make fair the types of the gym leader....

in the game is only one type so let talk the thing how should be....

for example boulder gym: principal type is rock...should have 3 rock types, secondary type is water should have 2....and the gym leader should always have in their team the factor surprise...in this case could be a free no uber pokemon...that is my opinion about the types

[Fautor Animus]

I think that the idea that if a challenger switches, and only then can a gym leader switch, makes the match a lot cleaner. Some members like to switch, and some don't. Also, because they're gym leaders, they should be confident with what's out on the field. The only person I feel bad for in a case such as this is Razorbeam. A member, I will not mention their name, used taunt, and then buffed up for like 6 turns, and then ran rampant. I don't really know how to vote for that situation, but more often than not, that doesn't happen.
Gym leaders are the elite here, except for the elite 4, they're even more elite. No one in the game withdraws, except for that stinking juggler from red and blue in kogas gym. His first move, *in mocking voice* "Come back Arbok! Go Drowzee!" Or some deal like that. He also lost everytime. How about this. If your entire team consists of an arbok, and a drowzee, you may switch, to keep aesthetics in place. Basically what I mean is, just don't let em switch. I know that if I'm gym leader (hopefully), then I wouldn't switch. You could make it up to each gym.

[puffdaddy]

Also, I have noticed that a lot of gym leaders voted on the "It's fair" side. Do you think that in a poll concering gym leaders, the gym leaders should vote? No offense, but they might be tainted, if you know what I mean. I think this should be only for the public, if you know what I mean.

[juaco]

Also, I have noticed that a lot of gym leaders voted on the "It's fair" side. Do you think that in a poll concering gym leaders, the gym leaders should vote? No offense, but they might be tainted, if you know what I mean. I think this should be only for the public, if you know what I mean.

even if we are elite and some menber say we need to be handicap...

my point is is not write on rock that in my case will be gym leader the rest of my live...i know it wont happen...so i dont know how long i will still been.

some people is saying no the gym leader should not swicht the battle will be longer.

well i have to said is not like that...atfer 8 battle i had i will tell about this case: my oponent use a wall that confused on me, poison me and it was getting recover....

is not about if my pokemon got killed first or not that battle of our first pokemon took around 10 turn and people still say no if gym leader swicth the battle will be longer...if i just could swicth my pokemon the battle would be shortest...the oponent didnt swicht first so i couldnt do that....

also is overused on the gym battle one strategy that i will not say...and is not about counter it....it just we dont have option just wait and see what happen..because we cant swicth first.

[WestCoastNinja]

But dont you think being restricted to two types is enough? Its like we are playing chess and the challenger can use all the pieces and leaders cant use thier queen. Then not being able to switch is like saying we cant use our bishops and rooks. Its really hard to win with only your pawns and knights.

[BlondinieNZ]

yeah a 3 on 3 could be cool it would be alot different and it could be like the battle tower in a way

[puffdaddy]

even if we are elite and some menber say we need to be handicap...

my point is is not write on rock that in my case will be gym leader the rest of my live...i know it wont happen...so i dont know how long i will still been.

some people is saying no the gym leader should not swicht the battle will be longer.

well i have to said is not like that...atfer 8 battle i had i will tell about this case: my oponent use a wall that confused on me, poison me and it was getting recover....

is not about if my pokemon got killed first or not that battle of our first pokemon took around 10 turn and people still say no if gym leader swicth the battle will be longer...if i just could swicth my pokemon the battle would be shortest...the oponent didnt swicht first so i couldnt do that....

also is overused on the gym battle one strategy that i will not say...and is not about counter it....it just we dont have option just wait and see what happen..because we cant swicth first.

Well, sometimes somebodies strategy is to get hp back while their enemy is weak, if you can switch, those type of pokemon become worthless.

[WestCoastNinja]

One more thing is that the challengers want to get the badge and if they can make it easier for themselves by voting no then how is that not tainted? But it dosent matter now since HMTKsteve voted yes and he is the main decision maker.

[juaco]

Well, sometimes somebodies strategy is to get hp back while their enemy is weak, if you can switch, those type of pokemon become worthless.

i guess in one way you said it...is not about gym leader swicth or not or make longer the battle...is about the challenger getting more chances of winning the battles....

sorry if i understood bad...but that how i think...if i said something bad please correct me...

so menber said ( because i listed to them) swicth pokemon is to avoid unnecesary damage....if i can avoid a pokemon that i know will take 10 turn to kill my pokemon i definaly would swicth

my point is: we all should be able to swicth or none one should be able to swicth...

[BugCatcher6]

I still don't get it though. People are happy winning knowing that their opponent is handicapped.

The level of the opponents have more then doubled since I started as Beacon Gym Leader.

I'll admit it, I could care less if the rule gets changed. I just think it is :(:(:(:( to an opponent use Perish Song or Destiny Bond and sit back and wait for the Gym Leader to faint. Does not matter if it is my first, second, or last Pokemon. It is a guaranteed KO for most Pokemon. Switching breaks the move. Destiny Bond can be countered by making the battle go longer then 2 rounds, but on a pure attacker and an opponent of weak defenses, it is a guarantee. I can hear it now, just like the Double Team rule, you should carry a hazer or counter, O.K. so I should have an non attacking move on every Pokemon, oh wait I can't switch so what does it matter if I have a hazer or any counter type?

[Viscosity]

Maybe we should adjust it. Either both can switch or both are fixed, that's how it would be in the cartoon or game right?

[puffdaddy]

Why don't you just make a rule on destiny bonding or perish song? Most of my battles have become- Me: Attack! Them: Switch! Me: Attack again! Them: Switch again! And so forth, and I don't think that switching is something to be proud of, and if I was a gym leader, I'd be happy that I beat somebody with a handicap, while they were free as a bird... I don't know, I guess it's up to certain people's way of fighting.

[BugCatcher6]

I think no matter what, there will never be any agreement. Some people think it is to hard and others got the badge and don't care he-he.

[cisco]

Yeah, I think its kinda crapy that Gym Leaders can't switch out unless the other person switches out. I don't know why their's a rule for no switching for Gym Leaders(And assistants). So that rule should be changed to 'Can switch out'.

[WestCoastNinja]

I cant believe this is even an issue. Yes I like winning when my opponent has the advantage but no switching severly limits my stategy. I want to use walls I want to use choice items but without being able to switch those strategys become usless.

[cisco]

I cant believe this is even an issue. Yes I like winning when my opponent has the advantage but no switching severly limits my stategy. I want to use walls I want to use choice items but without being able to switch those strategys become usless.

Exacly, like what Buzz said about Perish Song, or Destiny Bond. But I want to know why that is a rule.

[BugCatcher6]

If we made a rule where Perish Song or Destiny Bond is not allowed there would be the same argument as their is now. Like WestCoastNinja said, it is not the matter of not being able to switch that is the handicap, it is the strategy and tactics that is taken away with this rule. No choice items is a concern.

It use to be the Gym Leaders could not change at all, I fought to keep it that way and then I eventually gave up because the choice was still there, if I wanted to switch after the opponent did, then I could and if I did not want to change I didn't. I think we should have the choice.

Also I don't understand the argument of a Gym Leader should feel good about winning with a handicap. So a winning challenger can feel great about winning against a handicapped opponent?

[Babael]

I think no matter what, there will never be any agreement. Some people think it is to hard and others got the badge and don't care he-he.

In all honesty this league is the easiest one I've ever participated in due to all of the handicaps and it says something about the skill levels of the challengers, when they have to go through a gym 3, 4, and 5 times. I understand not everyone is a competitive battler and this site doesn't focus on battling competitively. One of the things that drew me to this site was the farming, but I've notice that there are more people who battle competitively lately. Four months ago I was in the same boat, I didn't know anything about team building, IV breeding, etc. It's all a matter of doing your research and learning how to play the game. It makes me wonder if the Elite Four members are going to be restricted, to make it 'easier' for challengers. I hope I didn't offend someone.

[juaco]

Why don't you just make a rule on destiny bonding or perish song? Most of my battles have become- Me: Attack! Them: Switch! Me: Attack again! Them: Switch again! And so forth, and I don't think that switching is something to be proud of, and if I was a gym leader, I'd be happy that I beat somebody with a handicap, while they were free as a bird... I don't know, I guess it's up to certain people's way of fighting.

there is a rule for this...but only apply for the last user pokemon....

but that not avoid to people using 2-3 more time before the last pokemon comes out...

hey puffdaddy i will be honest with you i dont like swicth a lot...becuase the battle get longer that is true.

but something is necesary i can tell you this as trainer not as gym leader......i always swicth in extreme dengerous situation....even my pokemon is rock and oponent is is water they are the one that swicth because they know i would use an a move that will hit a lot the pokemon....i think that is a uncessary swicht of pokemon....

[nagib_253]

in my opinion right now i get mad when my oponent switches cause he has a pokemon that has some type weaskness against me.in my opinion of the strategy if you want to become a pokemon master you have to built a team that when a tough oponent arrives even if he has a pokemon with superefectiveness moves over you you still will manage a way to ko his pokemon well that is my concept of a strong trainer.i dont like switching the maximun times i switch a pokemon in battle would be 2.but now i always try to never swich a pokemon out.and if the oponent switches first than you on a battle like buzz sayed he gets a big advantage i agree with buzz.but well if other pokemon trainer switches more than 2 times i get very upset but i still will never say to him than he just beat cause he switch too much cause maybe the problem was that i dint make a good strategy and not blame him as a excuse well that was my opinion. so m opinion would be like this nor the gym leader and the challenger cant switch or the gym leader can only change 2 times and the challenger is lock

[BugCatcher6]

In all honesty this league is the easiest one I've ever participated in due to all of the handicaps and it says something about the skill levels of the challengers, when they have to go through a gym 3, 4, and 5 times. I understand not everyone is a competitive battler and this site doesn't focus on battling competitively. One of the things that drew me to this site was the farming, but I've notice that there are more people who battle competitively lately. Four months ago I was in the same boat, I didn't know anything about team building, IV breeding, etc. It's all a matter of doing your research and learning how to play the game. It makes me wonder if the Elite Four members are going to be restricted, to make it 'easier' for challengers. I hope I didn't offend someone.


The Elite 4 topic is being changed due to the lack of being able to get an Elite 4 together. This new concept on paper looks like it will be more challenging then all 8 Gyms combined.


I really understand that battling is hard. But like babael said it takes time to learn. Before I was the Beacon Gym Leader I had no battling team. I had a team for the Elite 4, but I never battled another person. I found out I was going to be the Beacon Gym Leader and I just checked my time frame was.
I was chosen as the Beacon Gym Leader on 10-07-2007. I built a team and opened the Gym on 10-16-2007. That is 6 days to breed and train 6 Pokemon. All from scratch. I lost my first 2 battles partially because my team was not completely EV trained, but mainly due to me not having a clue as to what I was doing. I won my next 2 battles that day and finished my first day ever battling at 2 wins and 2 losses.

The information is out there. Alot of it is on this site. If you are willing to read and put in alot of hard work, it can be done.

Want an example? The biggest turn around of any battler I have ever seen is juaco. He won a few badges and lost a few times in the other Gyms. He even revoked his badges and said he would rebattle once he was good enough, well he is the Boulder Gym Leader now. juaco is one of the most dedicated trainers I have ever seen.

The reason so many people fail in the Gyms is because they want it to be easy and don't want to put forth the effort.

[mrsimms101]

I have held off from voting for a while, to see how this went, and also make up my own mind. I like the way the non-switching mimics the cartoon and game a little more. But I also like the fact that if you beat a gym leader while that leader is allowed to switch, then it makes that victory all the more sweeter. I have also seen many more badges popping up around pokefarm, so maybe it would be a good idea to make it just a touch more difficult for the challengers? You know, make the badges a little more rarer and desirable.

I know my opinion may not mean much to many of you - I am yet to battle anyone here - I'll be doing that soon. But for what it's worth, I voted yes. A sweet victory is better than one where you beat your opponent with his/her hands tied behind their backs.

[Fautor Animus]

Come to think of it, I should have voted yes. It should be up to a gym leader whether they want to change or not, and yes it makes it harder for the challengers. Everyone needs to be challenged. I agree with Babael. Good thing the wins are winning 20 to like 14-15

[BugCatcher6]

Come to think of it, I should have voted yes. It should be up to a gym leader whether they want to change or not, and yes it makes it harder for the challengers. Everyone needs to be challenged. I agree with Babael. Good thing the wins are winning 20 to like 14-15

Actually someone mentioned that the Gym Leaders should not get a vote, so it would almost be tied right now if we removed our votes. I don't like switching, but I like having the option.

[Fautor Animus]

Forget my brother, he knows not what he does, he just knows not what he does! :\ :P

[belnumcree]

I know my say has will hold very little sway in some of your minds, but I will use my personal experience as an example. When I came to this site I knew a bit about breeding, but nothing about competitive battling. I bred a team to compete with and in my first battle I was seriously outclassed. From here I had two options, either quit battling or get better. I chose get better, thats why I continue to learn and battle each chance I get. I'm not good at switching and it's cost me quite a few non Gym battles. I don't ask my opponent not to switch, instead I'm learning how to predict. Think on this, if the Gym leader only has two types of Pokemon, how hard is it going to be to predict?

I had an experience a couple of days ago with a Gym Leader. My opponent was locked in and unable to really hurt my lead. Fortunately he was able to get out of it, but it could have just as easily went the other way. If I had Leftovers like is recommended (it was on one of my other Pokemon) I'm not sure how he would have countered.

[Death By Bronzong]

I say that both participants should agree at the beginning of the battle to either no switching or switching, and the rule should apply to both battlers. This way, an inexperienced battler doesn't get thrown under the bus, so to speak, and experienced battlers don't get to roll over the gyms.

[BlondinieNZ]

why not 1st time battling the gym leader there can be switching like the one there is now like gym leader only switch when the challenger does and then from then on if you lose that battle you cant switch so that makes it fair as the challenger knows your team

[HMTKSteve]

Some rule changes are coming. The Gym Leaders and I are looking at the situation and we will post something by this Saturday.

[BugCatcher6]

Some rule changes are coming. The Gym Leaders and I are looking at the situation and we will post something by this Saturday.

Whoops, I saw the o.k. in the Gym Leader Retreat and went ahead and posted the changes to come.

[juaco]

wait..... are we allow to say that?

[Fautor Animus]

I changed my mind, after fighting a switching battle with Flippy, I realized how much switching takes the fun out of battling.

[juaco]

so what do you think?

is better if no one swicht in the battle?

ps: who won?

[Fautor Animus]

Yeah, I'm thinking that switching should be limited, it confuses your enemy and you just hate fighting that battle after a while.
P.S. Flippy won.

[BugCatcher6]

I changed my mind, after fighting a switching battle with Flippy, I realized how much switching takes the fun out of battling.

I fought a battle where as soon as the battle started the trainer switched. Of course the next round my Pokemon got KO'd and when I brought the next one he switched again and of course the next round I was KO'd. So after the 4th switch and me down to my last 2 Pokemon I baited my opponent and brought in a flying Pokemon, of course he switched to a Pokemon I knew had Electric on it and I switched to my Motor Drive Pokemon and got the speed boost to sweep his entire team.

Sometimes it works and other times it don't, most of the time it is just annoying. I find it only really helps later in the battle and not during the entire battle. Switching at every chance and bringing in Pokemon that can KO your opponent in one hit, but takes no real damage in return sounds like a perfect way to win, but to me it is pretty lame. Anyone can win if your Pokemon never takes any real damage and it shows no real strategy to me besides showing you know type weaknesses.

No offense to anyone that battles this way, it is just not my style.

[juaco]

yep....swicth a couple of time......like 2 in dangerous or annoying situation...

like confused ray, paralize is fine with me....even i can swicth now as gym leader....i will not be that annoying...only for get rid of those walls...

ps:is not my style too...

[puffdaddy]

Switching isn't real skill, and will now encourage the use of walls, so that they can switch to saftey.

[BugCatcher6]

Switching isn't real skill, and will now encourage the use of walls, so that they can switch to saftey.

Hey like I said I am not a big fan of switching, but with moves like Perish Song and Destiny Bond, it kinda handcuffs a Gym Leader.

[Faleomavaega]

I think people should just suck it up, and not change. People should learn how to fight with skill and brains, instead of switching. :D

[BugCatcher6]

I think people should just suck it up, and not change. People should learn how to fight with skill and brains, instead of switching. :D


Wow OMG, I think puffdaddy, Rroni, Faleomavaega, and Death By Bronzong all are like real life friends and I think they all had different opinions, weird he-he.

That is another reason I think it should be an option. If we wish to switch you can and if you don't like it you don't.

Someone mentioned Walls and such, trust me from about 90% of the battles I have been in, most people know that a wall is something that you can lean on.

[puffdaddy]

Wow OMG, I think puffdaddy, Rroni, Faleomavaega, and Death By Bronzong all are like real life friends and I think they all had different opinions, weird he-he.



What do you mean "like real friends"! :D

[BugCatcher6]

What do you mean "like real friends"! :D

You guys all live in the same town and I have seen Rroni, Faleomavaega, and Death By Bronzong all in one picture together.

[puffdaddy]

I know Buzz... If that is your real name... :D I'm just joking, but we are all friends.

[BugCatcher6]

I know Buzz... If that is your real name... :D I'm just joking, but we are all friends.

Buzz is my real name.

[puffdaddy]

Buzz is my real name.

Gasp!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[BugCatcher6]

Oh before I forget, I like the switching rule the way it is now, but I hate it when I get Perished Song or Destiny Bond used on me and I can't switch out. Most members don't even know to switch out to break Confusion, but that works out well in my Gym.

[HMTKSteve]

I hardly ever switch out. If I notice my opponent is "switch-happy" I used it against them by having complimentary attacks on my Pokemon. when they switch out their weak Pokemon I have an attack ready for the "expected" replacement Pokemon.

[Slizer107]

Oh before I forget, I like the switching rule the way it is now, but I hate it when I get Perished Song or Destiny Bond used on me and I can't switch out. Most members don't even know to switch out to break Confusion, but that works out well in my Gym.

We no it now lol.

[BugCatcher6]

We no it now lol.

I posted that to get the topic back on track. You are becoming a champion of pointing out the obvious.

[NikolaTesla]

Interesting because in my brief stint as gym leader I did not switch once, unless the pokemon was KOed. Despite this I still did reasonably well. Ultimately, I think it would be better if the elite four could switch pokemon and not gym leaders. After all, gym leaders are supposed to lose.


Every Gym is suppose to mirror the game. I personally don't like to switch Pokemon during battles, but there have been times when I wish I could. Waiting for your opponent to switch first does handicap us some. I have even not switched my Pokemon after my opponent switches, it all depends on the setup.

[BugCatcher6]

This rule was changed to allow Gym Leaders to switch only if the opponent did and now it is open to switch whenever. It took me awhile to get use to switching and how to use it right he-he.

[Babael]

Interesting because in my brief stint as gym leader I did not switch once, unless the pokemon was KOed. Despite this I still did reasonably well. Ultimately, I think it would be better if the elite four could switch pokemon and not gym leaders. After all, gym leaders are supposed to lose.

True, but we are to provide some challenge. I mean I haven't changed my line up once since I began as a gym leader, I always use the same items, pokemon, and lead. By allowing us to switch it challengers are forced to predict and prediction is crucial to battling. I think the type restriction is more than enough, 9 times out of 10 you can predict the pokemon that will make their debut at the gyms, especially since the dual type rule was allowed. I beat the people I should beat and lose to the people I should lose to.

[BugCatcher6]

True, but we are to provide some challenge. I mean I haven't changed my line up once since I began as a gym leader, I always use the same items, pokemon, and lead. By allowing us to switch it challengers are forced to predict and prediction is crucial to battling. I think the type restriction is more than enough, 9 times out of 10 you can predict the pokemon that will make their debut at the gyms, especially since the dual type rule was allowed. I beat the people I should beat and lose to the people I should lose to.

True, since I have been a Gym Leader, I changed 2 Pokemon and that was just rebreeding for better IVs and moves.

[Babael]

True, since I have been a Gym Leader, I changed 2 Pokemon and that was just rebreeding for better IVs and moves.

Yeah, I still need to re-breed two members for my gym team. When I first started challenging the gym, the only gym leader that actually really took advantage of the "no switching until the challenger switches" rule is WCN and I know I switch frequently, lol.

[BugCatcher6]

Yeah, I still need to re-breed two members for my gym team. When I first started challenging the gym, the only gym leader that actually really took advantage of the "no switching until the challenger switches" rule is WCN and I know I switch frequently, lol.

I have 6 Pokemon, well 9, to breed to make my new Gym Team. I have like 3 started he-he. Now I have the Breeder's Cup and the NU League team he-he.