Scizor Moveset help

[mrsimms101]

I need help with the following moveset for my Scizor, Adamant, Technician. It has:

Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Double Hit

but can't decide the last move....

Silver Wind (A chance to raise all stats, STAB, but Adamant nature and rubbish SpAtk IV = hardly any damage), or

X-Scissor (No added effect, but STAB with strong Atk IV and Adamant nature = high damage)

Do you see my dilemma? Any opinions would be appreciated :)

[Shiny Lucario]

First of all, I say, don't use Silver Wind. Sure, if all your stats rise, you can Baton Pass to a sweeper, but a 10% chance isn't going to help you often enough to be useful. And second of all, do you want your Scizor to be a Baton Passer or a sweeper? Thats the first thing you have to answer before you make a good moveset.

[Dr. Narnad]

I would hang with X-Scissor. From my experience with Ancient Power, which also has a 10% chance of raising all stats, it's something you cannot count on in a battle. I would much rather hit for great power than to rely on chance especially in this situation where you have poor SpA IVs on a poor special attacker.

[mrsimms101]

First of all, I say, don't use Silver Wind. Sure, if all your stats rise, you can Baton Pass to a sweeper, but a 10% chance isn't going to help you often enough to be useful. And second of all, do you want your Scizor to be a Baton Passer or a sweeper? Thats the first thing you have to answer before you make a good moveset.

More of a baton passer than anything else. That's why I was also thinking of putting agility in there. It would replace Double Hit, but with high attack and technician ability, I couldnt bring myself to get rid of double hit.....

[Shiny Lucario]

Well, if your trying to make him more of a Baton Passer, I recommend using Agility instead of Double Hit, and then X-Scissor as your last move. But if you want to keep Double Hit that badly, your going to have to decide whether you want to pass a speed boost, which both special attackers and physical attackers can use, or pass a physical attack boost, which or course, only physical attackers can use.

[Slizer107]

If the sizor is in danger you need to be able to get it out of there. Have agilty instead of double hit, keep sword dance have x - sizor and baton pass. So it will look like this

Agilty
Baton Pass
X-Sizor
Sword Dance

So i agree with others rlly.

[Death By Bronzong]

Well, everyone said what I was gonna say. Ditch double hit for x-scissor, and put in agility.

[S Tailor]

i would use swarm instead of technicsion if your useing x sissor. silver wind is very unreliable whereas if you use swarm with x sissor would boost you to 160power with stab and swarm.

[Shiny Lucario]

i would use swarm instead of technicsion if your useing x sissor. silver wind is very unreliable whereas if you use swarm with x sissor would boost you to 160power with stab and swarm.

Well, theres one problem with that. And that is that he just can't change his ability unless he re-breeds the Scizor. But I do agree with you that Swarm is the superior ability for a Baton Passing Scizor.

[Slizer107]

Well he could re-breed it. Then you can make more of ivs.

[Jhamin]

If I can weigh in with slightly different advice:

The real problem with baton passers is that all their stat boosting goes away if they get KOed. Then all your work was for nothing and you wasted a spot on your team.

So I generally say that you shouldn't assume you are going to have enough time to use several stat boost moves in succession before you either need to heal or switch out. Focus on the one stat you care about for your team.

My advice if you want a baton pass Scizor would be something like this:
X-Scissor
Baton Pass
Roost
Agility/Swords Dance (depending on which way you want to go)

This way you can boos stats a couple times and assess how the battle is going.

If you are doing well, you can either keep boosting or even start attacking (X-Scissor with a good nature, good IVs and boosted stats starts one-shotting Psychics and Darks).

If you are loosing big chunks of health with every hit, you baton pass to a sweeper that is strong against the team you are fighting.

If, on the other hand, your Scizor is taking hits for 10%-20% of his health, you can roost and gain several more turns to fight or boost.

[S Tailor]

I personally don't think scizor is a good baton passer. i would go for aimipom or one of the eeveelution depending on what you want to pass. he's better off as a sweeper

[Jhamin]

I personally use my Scizor as a sweeper as well, but his bug/steel type makes him suprisingly tough. As a baton passer's biggest issue is living until they can pass their moves this is a big asset.

(Of course, I use a eevelution as my baton passer :))

[mrsimms101]

Thank you all for your great advice. I've decided to ditch Double Hit. Right up until Jhamin's interesting comments, I was planning on doing a quick rebreed to have an Adamant scizor with Swarm, and the moves
X-Scissor
Swords Dance
Agility
Baton Pass

This could work well - depending on what sort of pokemon I need to take out, I could either swords dance to pass to a phys sweeper, or agilipass to a sp.sweeper. So my scizor would now be more like a situational baton passer lol. Baton pass depending on the pokemon im up against, and on the pokemon I have left to pass too. Although, the roost idea is definitely something I hadn't thought of - I'll keep this in mind.

But may I ask, and please forgive my being naive on the matter, what would an example be for a scizor sweeper moveset??

[Shiny Lucario]

I was to lazy to think of my own so I ripped this from Smogon :wink:. But here is a example of a Scizor sweeper. The set mentioned is supposed to be used with a Choice Band:

~ X-Scissor / U-turn
~ Iron Head
~ Pursuit / Night Slash
~ Quick Attack / Brick Break / Double Hit

And thats just an example of a set.

[Jhamin]

I'd go this way just to not copy Smogon:

X-Scissor (Hard to argue against)
Brick Break (Doesn't get STAB or Technician Boosts, but hits decent and enjoys bettery type coverage than Iron Head.)
Aerial Ace (Never misses, Technician Boots it, beats down Fighting Types & other Bugs)
Roost (I often run with Life Orb, so this can be a life saver part way though a battle)