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BugCatcher6
09-18-2007, 02:17 PM
I keep saying about IV breeding and have had people ask what it was, o.k. I had like 3 people ask. IVs are Individual Values. They are one of the factors that decide just how strong your Pokemon will be. A Pokemons Nature is the another. And lastly you have your EVs(Effort Values). After saying that did you ever notice how even a neutral nature Pokemon always seems to have different stats? How did this happen, was it from the EVs it was trained in? Possibly, but what if the EVs are the same? You should then look at the IVs. Also remember the higher the Pokemons level the more accurate the IVs will be. Now the formula for figuring out IVs look something like they do at NASA to figure out how to get a rocket into space. But Nintendo has help us out somewhat and there is a website that has helped me out even more.

Just for kicks here is what the formula looks like.
IV = ((Math.Ceiling(Stat / Personality Value) - 5) * 100 / Level Value) - 2 * Base Stat – Effort Points / 4
That is not the formula for HP, HP is different.
Hit Point IV = (Stat - Level - 10) * 100/Level) - 2 * BaseStat - EV/4

Thank you Dragonair from the Serebii Site (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml)for these formulas.


Now how has Nintendo helped, they added Characteristics to your Pokemons info sheet. It is at the bottom of the screen that tells you the Pokemons Nature. It will always show your Pokemons best IV stat, unless two are the same then it picks one of the two at random to show you. But what does the message mean. Here is a chart to show the Characteristic phrases and the IV ranges that fall into the phrases.


http://user.pa.net/~rcade/images/IVphrases.PNG


Now how do you know the exact IV from this chart, you don't. You can get an idea, because it shows you the highest IV phrase, so it cannot be one of the lowest numbers, well unless your Pokemon has a bad IV in every single stat. Want to know for sure? Yes we all do so here is a link to a great Calculator from Serebii.
IV Calculator D/P Version (http://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcdp.shtml)

Also they tell you how to save this calculator to make an offline version, which is great.

I would like to thank all the people at Serebii (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml) who put tremendous effort into the site to make Pokemon easier for me.

Also would like to thank my wife for letting me put about an hour coming up with this post, 20 minutes looking for all the info, 8 minutes writing this post, and 32 minutes in Paint trying to get this IV chart to look right hehe.

Nak
09-18-2007, 03:30 PM
oooh this helps so much! thank you!

Myrddraal
09-18-2007, 04:18 PM
very helpful for people that wouldnt know what IVs are :P

i myself forgot about that table, not as useful as other methods but still a help when trying to get good ivs nonetheless

BugCatcher6
09-18-2007, 05:11 PM
very helpful for people that wouldnt know what IVs are :P

i myself forgot about that table, not as useful as other methods but still a help when trying to get good ivs nonetheless

Yes I agree. That is also why I have the D/P IV Calculator from Serebii saved offline. Such a life saver. I hate having to do the math for every Pokemon I have and when I do large breeds I sometimes have 60-90 Pokemon to check out hehe.

BugCatcher6
09-18-2007, 08:39 PM
O.K. I had to talk myself into it. I have a lot of info done up on Microsoft Office Excel. I am currently working on making it web friendly. I want it to look as I have it on my pc, which I made them to print nicely. I want it to hold onto this print quality so if anyone wants to print them, they won't have a mess to deal with. It may take a few days, but I hope to get everything done by this weekend and have a site made up by Monday of next week.

BugCatcher6
09-22-2007, 09:01 PM
With so much talk about IVs, Evs, and breeding I found a write up on a site that really goes into detail for Emerald/ Diamond/Pearl IV breeding. I will copy and paste it here, but I want to give credit to X-Act and Peterko on the Smogon Site. Here is a link the their breeding guide.

Breeding Guide (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20653)

Here is a small section of how IVs are selected.
The IVs for the baby are first created at random. Then, a random IV from either parent is inherited to the baby. Then, any random IV except an HP IV is selected from either parent and is passed to the baby. Finally, any random IV except an HP or Defense IV is selected from either parent and passed to the baby. These three random IVs may overlap, that is, the same random IV can be chosen to be inherited in the second, or third, IV transfer.

I know when I first read it I was like what, but if you read their guide it makes more sense. Plus they show examples.

Let's give an example:

Parent A has the following IVs: 21, 7, 26, 15, 4, 10.
Parent B has the following IVs: 5, 3, 16, 30, 28, 20.
(These, and all IV sets that will be listed, are written in the following order: HP IV, Attack IV, Defense IV, Special Attack IV, Special Defense IV, and Speed IV.)

First, the baby's IVs are generated at random: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 27.

Then a parent's random IV is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Speed IV is chosen first.
So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 10.

Then a parent's random IV (other than an HP IV) is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Defense IV is chosen.
So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 26, 14, 11, 10.

Finally, a parent's random IV (other than an HP or a Defense IV) is chosen, and inherited to the baby.
Suppose Parent B's Special Attack IV is chosen. And the baby's IVs thus become: 18, 0, 26, 30, 11, 10.

Note that the amount of IVs passed from the parents is not always 3, for the following two reasons. Firstly, the random baby IVs created at the start might match some of the IVs of the parents, which would seem as if the baby got passed more than 3 IVs. Secondly, two or three of the IVs passed to the baby might be in the same stat, which would seem as if the baby got passed less than 3 IVs.

This means that the baby will always inherit between 1 and 6 IVs from the parents. The chances are as follows:

1 IV: 2.44% chance
2 IVs: 34.41% chance
3 IVs: 53.01% chance
4 IVs: 9.55% chance
5 IVs: 0.58% chance
6 IVs: 0.01% chance

Remember I did not write any of this. the Credit all goes to X-Act and Peterko on the Smogon Site. I don't have the patience to do the math involved in making their 4 part guide. Good reading I give it 2 thumbs up and it should be on of Oprah's Book of the Month Club suggested reading.

Myrddraal
09-23-2007, 06:06 AM
1 IV: 2.44% chance
2 IVs: 34.41% chance
3 IVs: 53.01% chance
4 IVs: 9.55% chance
5 IVs: 0.58% chance
6 IVs: 0.01% chance


This should be clarified, when it says 1IV, it means exactly 1IV not at least 1IV, and so on.


To put it simply, a bred poke gets 3 IVs from the parents (1 from mother, 1 from father, 1 from either). but their other ivs also have a chance of being the same (due to the random chance factor).

Myrddraal
09-23-2007, 06:14 AM
another interesting point on that guide is the chance that each stat will be passed on from a parent:

HP: 8.02% chance of being inherited
Atk: 19.55% chance of being inherited
Def: 13.78% chance of being inherited
SpAtk: 19.55% chance of being inherited
SpDef: 19.55% chance of being inherited
Speed: 19.55% chance of being inherited

BugCatcher6
09-23-2007, 03:21 PM
1 IV: 2.44% chance
2 IVs: 34.41% chance
3 IVs: 53.01% chance
4 IVs: 9.55% chance
5 IVs: 0.58% chance
6 IVs: 0.01% chance


This should be clarified, when it says 1IV, it means exactly 1IV not at least 1IV, and so on.


To put it simply, a bred poke gets 3 IVs from the parents (1 from mother, 1 from father, 1 from either). but their other ivs also have a chance of being the same (due to the random chance factor).



I believe by their guide that there is a chance that when IVs chosen at random can sometimes select the same Stat IV and pass on less to the baby.


Note that the amount of IVs passed from the parents is not always 3, for the following two reasons. Firstly, the random baby IVs created at the start might match some of the IVs of the parents, which would seem as if the baby got passed more than 3 IVs. Secondly, two or three of the IVs passed to the baby might be in the same stat, which would seem as if the baby got passed less than 3 IVs.

celph77
10-05-2007, 08:46 PM
I have recently gotten interested in IV breeding and have been playing around with it the last couple of weeks. With Buzz's notes and these sites, I can now save lots of time when IV breeding, to form my ultimate teams. I thought I would share my knowledge sources, so everyone here can learn about it as well. I do not take credit for any of this, this is all the work of the generous people that wrote the Faqs...

1)http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46234
-> This site will teach you the basics of IV breeding. Although I would substitute IV battling instead of rare candying at that certain step, as its much more efficient. If you don't know what I mean by IV Battling, go here (http://forum.pokefarm.com/showthread.php?t=995).

2)http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20650
-> This site will tutor you in the advanced stuff about IV breeding such as displaying the ratio of getting a certain amount of maximum IVs. Very helpful!

3)http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml
->The mathematical approach towards IV breeding. You can use these formulas here to make Microsoft Excel calculate IVs automatically.

4) http://user.pa.net/~rcade/zcalc.htm
-> From Buzz's personal site; contains helpful EV guides and is home to my favorite IV calculator.

Will post more if I find any better ones. Enjoy and feel free to post your own links!

BugCatcher6
10-05-2007, 09:58 PM
Awesome work Agent Orange. I was asked by Nak to somehow put an IV Calculator on my website, so she could have easier access to one. So I was playing around with the one I use from Serebii. As I was trying to clean it up to fit my site, I saw your thread here. I noticed that the IV Calculator on Legendary Pokemon (http://www.legendarypokemon.net) was the same as Serebii's. So I did a little reading and found I could add their calculator to my site as well. Which I have got to say, my small EV Guides have brought a good bit of traffic to my webpage. It is listed as having 75% of new viewers, while maintaining 25% of those viewers as repeats.

So I got the IV Calculator up on my site. Nak I hope it helps you. If it not it could be because it runs a Java Script and that could be why your school blocks it. C.W.A. Stables Guides (http://user.pa.net/~rcade/zcwas.htm)

celph77
10-05-2007, 10:03 PM
Oh, awesome...I have another reason to visit your site now. I updated my Calculator link to show yours.

Nak
10-05-2007, 11:19 PM
Thankiez, gentlemen! The reason why I couldn't access the IV calc in serebii is b/c serebii.net was categorized as "games" by the firewall. >.<

BugCatcher6
11-11-2007, 03:55 AM
Hey I fix the IV Phrase List. I noticed an error in the HP Phrases. For the 28 IV row the Phrase was Often scatters things, but that should be the phrase for the 27 IV row. The 28 IV row should have the phrase Scatters things often. Row 27 IV had the phrase Often naps. I have not seen this phrase ingame. Also I am thinking there is an error in the Attack IV phrases, but I have yet to get to test them. The new chart I made looks the same, but it has also been fixed to allow for easier editing if I should have to go back and fix anymore.


If anyone else has seen any phrases ingame that is not on the chart, please let me know so I can test it.

Ryu
11-16-2007, 08:49 AM
i kind of dont get it but. which phrase would be best to make a pokemon fast?

Shiny Lucario
11-16-2007, 10:19 AM
That would be Alert to Sound as you have a chance of getting 31 IV's in that one.

Nak
11-28-2007, 09:25 AM
very helpful for people that wouldnt know what IVs are :P

i myself forgot about that table, not as useful as other methods but still a help when trying to get good ivs nonetheless

PFFT, I just saw this. lol XD I DO NOW!!!!1!11 >:]

razorbeam
11-30-2007, 12:13 PM
i got a question. i really really need to know.

last night i was checking iv . some of them have terrible iv and some have good iv.
but the ones that have terrible iv, have a better stat than the good one at level 100.
why is that and you think the better iv one will exceed the poor one with EV training?

example: jolly with 21 iv in speed but stat says 314 at level 100
while adamant with 31 iv in speed but stat says 296 at level 100

should i garbage the jolly ?

Jhamin
11-30-2007, 12:57 PM
How were you calculating the IVs? There shouldn't be that much swing with those IVs.

Jhamin
11-30-2007, 01:03 PM
i kind of dont get it but. which phrase would be best to make a pokemon fast?

OK, the deal with "Alert to Sound" is that your pokemon with that phrase will either have a 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, or 31 in speed *(as listed in the chart). So as you can see, just the phrase won't tell you much. You might have a 31, you might have a 1. The only real way to tell is to check him when he is high level but hasn't EV trained.

The phrases really come in handy if you say, get him to level 60 and check. A lot of the calculators will give you a range of possible values when you are below 100th level. So if your pokemon is listed as "Alert to Sound" and the IV range he is calculated to have is between 28 and 31, you can be pretty sure he has a 31 as no other value in that range matches the phrase.

razorbeam
11-30-2007, 01:48 PM
How were you calculating the IVs? There shouldn't be that much swing with those IVs.

well, i did an level 100 battle. took the summary, plugged them in the IV calculator from Serebeii.

This Jolly is thoroughly cunning. so it puzzles me, why it has more stats on speed.

BugCatcher6
11-30-2007, 01:54 PM
well, i did an level 100 battle. took the summary, plugged them in the IV calculator from Serebeii.

This Jolly is thoroughly cunning. so it puzzles me, why it has more stats on speed.

More stats or more IVs in Speed? Stats can be a little higher in Speed due to the Jolly nature, but that does not mean the IVs are higher.

razorbeam
11-30-2007, 02:02 PM
meaning, if i EV train a Jolly with only 21 IV in speed , would it be faster than if i EV train an Adamant with 31 IV in speed?

BugCatcher6
11-30-2007, 02:10 PM
meaning, if i EV train a Jolly with only 21 IV in speed , would it be faster than if i EV train an Adamant with 31 IV in speed?

That may balance out, I would have to do some math, but a Pokemon with 31 SPD IV and a Speed reducing nature, would always be lower then a Pokemon with a speed boosting nature and 21 IVs. In theory I mean, I would have to crunch numbers again he-he.

razorbeam
11-30-2007, 02:22 PM
LOL, sorry, this was really bothering me last night. it was like, why can't i just have a Jolly with an alert to sound baby. then i dont have to bother everybody. thanks to all of you who help. much appreciated.

BugCatcher6
12-23-2007, 06:32 PM
Updated the IV reference chart. On the lines for 4 - 29 range I had 4, 6, 14, 19, 24, 29 and it should have been 4, 9, 14, 19, 24, 29.


Also I am still testing to make sure all the phrases and IVs are correct. I have about 270 Pokemon to test yet, but I need to farm more berries to ensure that all their EVs are gone.

I just added something to my website that should help alot of people out.

I saw some comments on wanting to know how I kept track of my EVs while training. This is the exact sheet I use, but in Excel I have it edited to print out on one page. EV Checklist Template (http://user.pa.net/%7Ercade/checklist.htm). It shows my lines 1-26 and boxes 1-10 with the 26 line only having 2 boxes to make a total of 252 boxes that equal 252 EVs. Also remember, for some reason I cannot get Excel sheets to function the way I want them to in HTM format and sometimes all the lines don't show up, so just hit refresh and the lines should appear.

Also my main section of the webpage is linked to my banner below. I hope this works out. I am going to someday rewrite the entire site and try to get it into one working project. I just have not worked on HTML since my son was born and I did a webpage to show my long distant family members his photos to.

belnumcree
12-27-2007, 11:35 AM
This method will work a whole lot better tha the one I was using before. :-D

BugCatcher6
12-27-2007, 05:28 PM
This method will work a whole lot better tha the one I was using before. :-D

I hope it helps. I noticed when people asked and I said my method it only lead to more questions. I was not sure how to explain it so I thought why not show it. If I could only figure out how to get Excel to work right when I make it a webpage. The lines vanish sometimes and need refreshed and the printing function does not work the way it does in my excel sheet. In my excel sheet I can get all 4 tables to print off on one page. I use the blue line under the EV Training line to write down what I am training and the white areas to write little notes. Not high tech, but works great for me to keep track of my EVs.

belnumcree
12-27-2007, 06:04 PM
IDK I usually just upload the excel file then link to it. IE then opens it up, I've never experimented with it though.

BugCatcher6
12-28-2007, 12:47 AM
IDK I usually just upload the excel file then link to it. IE then opens it up, I've never experimented with it though.

I think I need to play around more. The cool thing is my ISP got tired of people calling in with problems about the FTP programs they recommended, so they made their own and now it functions on the companies website and it saves me a ton of time. Got to love the ISP that actually cares for it's clients.

belnumcree
12-28-2007, 12:54 AM
Got to love the ISP that actually cares for it's clients.

I wish I could see that in a lot of industries.