Building a Gym Team

[Trombones13]

So, I'd like to try and get a plan made for a team to challenge the Gyms. I'm tired of grabbing random farmed Pokemon and placing them in my party. This thread will mainly be for me to get critiqued on ideas that I'll throw around, and to attempt to piece together a team that works well together. I'm pretty much a novice on the battlefield, so I'd greatly appreciate your input.

(Note: I'm not including EVs; I started to, but they were all 252 ATK/SpATK, 252 Spd since I can't figure out how to strategize with them very well, I guess. Help appreciated.)

I really enjoy using these two Pokemon in my current line-up:
Roserade @ Wise Glasses
Poison Point - Modest
-Energy Ball
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
Perhaps remove one of the Grass attacks?

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

I saw this Pokemon in battle, and now I want one:

Muk @ Leftovers?
Adamant - Sticky Hold
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Sneak
-Payback
-Substitute

And now for some Pokemon I like (not necessarily together; if it's OK, I'm gonna post several and you might be able to tell me how you think they'd work; some of these are from farm events):

Drifblim @ Wacan Berry
Aftermath - Modest
-Hypnosis
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-T-Bolt

Lanturn @ Leftovers?
Volt Absorb - Modest
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge/T-Bolt
-Confuse Ray
(from Momtaro's event)

Weavile @ Chople Berry
Pressure - Adamant
-Ice Shard
-Ice Punch
-Aerial Ace
-Brick Break
(from FG's event)

Bellyzard @ *shrug*
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-Dragon Claw
-Substitute
-Fire Fang
(from Jimmy's event)

Gliscor @ *shrug*
Sand Veil - Impish
-Baton Pass
-Aerial Ace
-Rock Polish
-Roost
We decided upon this in another thread awhile back.

Magnezone @ Occa Berry?
Static Pull - Modest
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Substitute
-Magnet Rise

Cacturne @ Occa Berry
Sand Veil - Adamant
-Sandstorm
-Sucker Punch
-Spikes
-Ingrain
(from MK's event)
or one of the movesets listed on my future events page...
-Dynamicpunch
-Seed Bomb
-Drain Punch
-Poison Jab

Glaceon @ ...Occa Berry...?
Snow Cloak - Modest
-Covet
-Wish
-HP...Water?
-Shadow Ball
(from Deneves's event)

Lopunny @ Muscle Band
Run Away (is Klutz helpful at all?) - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Return
(from wongerman's event, except he put Frustration instead of Return for some wacky reason...)

Sandslash @ Passho Berry
Sand Veil - Adamant
-Counter
-Crush Claw
-Gyro Ball
-Sandstorm
(from LCS's event)

Staraptor @ Choice Band?
Intimidate - Adamant
-Pursuit
-U-turn
-Return
-Brave Bird
(from Babael's event)

Cherrim @ ?
Chlorophyll - Modest
-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Helping Hand
-Safeguard
For double battles.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers?
Sticky Hold - Bold
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Recover
(from my event)

Shuckle @ (Buzz and I talked about this, but I don't remember what we chose...)
Gluttony - Impish
-Encore
-Knock Off
-Stealth Rock
-Rest

Swalot @ ?
Sticky Hold - Gentle (only b/c I don't want to re-breed it b/c of its goodness)
-HP Flying (69)
-Ice Beam? It currently has it...and Pound.
-?
-?
I'd like help with this one. Its IVs are 9/31/19/22/22/30. Perhaps a Mixed Attacker?

Delcatty @ Mental Herb (presuming Cute Charm would kick in; I'm thinking it wouldn't?)
Cute Charm - Impish
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Sucker Punch
-Dig

Absol @ ?
Super Luck - Adamant
-Swords Dance
-Psycho Cut
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash

Octillery @ ?
Sniper - Modest
-Focus Energy
-Surf
-Octazooka
-Ice Beam

Aerodactyl @ ?
Rock Head - Jolly
-Aerial Ace
-Ice Fang
-Stone Edge
-EQ

Forretress @ ?
Sturdy - Impish
-Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-EQ
-Explosion

Alakazam @ Twistedspoon?
Synchronize - Modest
-Charge Beam
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-Recover

Kangaskhan @ CB
Scrappy - Adamant
-Hammer Arm
-Return
-EQ
-Avalanche
(from Deneves's event)

Solrock @ Leftovers
Levitate - Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-EQ
-Explosion
-Rock Slide
(from Deneves's event)

Sunflora @ Big Root
Solar Power - Modest
-Sunny Day
-Sludge Bomb
-SolarBeam
-Synthesis
(also from Deneves's event)

I'm also looking for ideas for:
Espeon
Umbreon
Ariados
Breloom
Vespiquen
Wailord
Hippowdon
Shedinja
Cradily
Aggron
Dusknoir
Altaria
Bronzong
Ampharos
Politoed
Dragonite
Heracross

I think that's it; feel free to tear apart (but if possible, use terms I'll understand :lol:). Thank you!

...Is this asking for too much??? :lol:

[revelp8]

So, I'd like to try and get a plan made for a team to challenge the Gyms. I'm tired of grabbing random farmed Pokemon and placing them in my party. This thread will mainly be for me to get critiqued on ideas that I'll throw around, and to attempt to piece together a team that works well together. I'm pretty much a novice on the battlefield, so I'd greatly appreciate your input.

(Note: I'm not including EVs; I started to, but they were all 252 ATK/SpATK, 252 Spd since I can't figure out how to strategize with them very well, I guess. Help appreciated.)

I really enjoy using these two Pokemon in my current line-up:
Roserade @ choice scarf/specs
Poison Point - Modest
-Energy Ball/giga drain
-extrasensory
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb/toxic spikes
Perhaps remove one of the Grass attacks? yes. roserade also makes a good lead by setting up to toxic spikes

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens/choice band/life orb
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

I saw this Pokemon in battle, and now I want one. standard set

Muk @ Leftovers?
Adamant - Sticky Hold
-Focus Punch
-Shadow Sneak
-Payback
-Substitute

your going to have to run a lot of HP EVs and special defense EVs...snorlax does the job way better though

Drifblim @ pinch berry (take your pic)
Aftermath - Modest
-Hypnosis/baton pass
-Calm Mind/stockpile
-Shadow Ball
-T-Bolt

drifblim is very unique for learning a lot of moves and being able to pass them. try it out as a BPer.

Lanturn @ Leftovers/shell bell
Volt Absorb - Calm nature
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge/T-Bolt
-t-wave/toxic
(from Momtaro's event)

Weavile @ expert belt
Pressure - Adamant
-Ice Shard/pursuit
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash (better coverage and STAB)
-Brick Break
(from FG's event)
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Bellyzard @ *shrug*
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-Dragon Claw
-Substitute
-Fire Fang
(from Jimmy's event)

Gliscor @ *shrug*
Sand Veil - Impish
-Baton Pass
-Aerial Ace
-Rock Polish
-Roost
We decided upon this in another thread awhile back.

Magnezone @ Occa Berry?
Static Pull - Modest
-Thunderbolt
-HP Ice
-Substitute
-Magnet Rise

Cacturne @ Occa Berry
Sand Veil - Adamant
-Sandstorm
-Sucker Punch
-Spikes
-Ingrain
(from MK's event)
or one of the movesets listed on my future events page...
-Dynamicpunch
-Seed Bomb
-Drain Punch
-Poison Jab

Glaceon @ ...Occa Berry...?
Snow Cloak - Modest
-Covet
-Wish
-HP...Water?
-Shadow Ball
(from Deneves's event)

Lopunny @ Muscle Band
Run Away (is Klutz helpful at all?) - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Return
(from wongerman's event, except he put Frustration instead of Return for some wacky reason...)

Sandslash @ Passho Berry
Sand Veil - Adamant
-Counter
-Crush Claw
-Gyro Ball
-Sandstorm
(from LCS's event)

Staraptor @ Choice Band?
Intimidate - Adamant
-Pursuit
-U-turn
-Return
-Brave Bird
(from Babael's event)

Cherrim @ ?
Chlorophyll - Modest
-Sunny Day
-Solarbeam
-Helping Hand
-Safeguard
For double battles.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers?
Sticky Hold - Bold
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Recover
(from my event)

Shuckle @ (Buzz and I talked about this, but I don't remember what we chose...)
Gluttony - Impish
-Encore
-Knock Off
-Stealth Rock
-Rest

Swalot @ ?
Sticky Hold - Gentle (only b/c I don't want to re-breed it b/c of its goodness)
-HP Flying (69)
-Ice Beam? It currently has it...and Pound.
-?
-?
I'd like help with this one. Its IVs are 9/31/19/22/22/30. Perhaps a Mixed Attacker?

Delcatty @ Mental Herb (presuming Cute Charm would kick in; I'm thinking it wouldn't?)
Cute Charm - Impish
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Sucker Punch
-Dig

Absol @ ?
Super Luck - Adamant
-Swords Dance
-Psycho Cut
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash

Octillery @ ?
Sniper - Modest
-Focus Energy
-Surf
-Octazooka
-Ice Beam

Aerodactyl @ ?
Rock Head - Jolly
-Aerial Ace
-Ice Fang
-Stone Edge
-EQ

Forretress @ ?
Sturdy - Impish
-Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-EQ
-Explosion

Alakazam @ Twistedspoon?
Synchronize - Modest
-Charge Beam
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-Recover

Kangaskhan @ CB
Scrappy - Adamant
-Hammer Arm
-Return
-EQ
-Avalanche
(from Deneves's event)

Solrock @ Leftovers
Levitate - Adamant
-Stealth Rock
-EQ
-Explosion
-Rock Slide
(from Deneves's event)

Sunflora @ Big Root
Solar Power - Modest
-Sunny Day
-Sludge Bomb
-SolarBeam
-Synthesis
(also from Deneves's event)

I'm also looking for ideas for:
Espeon
Umbreon
Ariados
Breloom
Vespiquen
Wailord
Hippowdon
Shedinja
Cradily
Aggron
Dusknoir
Altaria
Bronzong
Ampharos
Politoed
Dragonite
Heracross

I think that's it; feel free to tear apart (but if possible, use terms I'll understand :lol:). Thank you!

...Is this asking for too much??? :lol:

holy jeezus, you posted a lot :o. call me old fashioned, but try to stick with a team of 6 instead of posting all the possible team members. with the rate you'll receive, we'll input which pokemon would serve better than what is already on the team, and you decide if you'd like to make the switch or not.

[Trombones13]

OK; sounds good. I thought I might have gone a little overboard... :lol:

Possible 6:

Roserade @ Wise Glasses
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb--This seemed to work well as an extra type coverage. I think I'd prefer it to Toxic Spikes, but I'm not sure.

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Ideas, Jimmy, since you did the event?
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-Dragon Claw
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Lopunny @ Muscle Band
Run Away (is Klutz helpful at all?) - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Return

Umbreon (help!)

How would that be?

[revelp8]

OK; sounds good. I thought I might have gone a little overboard... :lol:

Possible 6:

Roserade @ Wise Glasses
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb--This seemed to work well as an extra type coverage. I think I'd prefer it to Toxic Spikes, but I'm not sure.

extra type coverage? it only covers other grass types...oh, try for HP Fire, covers grass, bug, and steel which would give roserade some trouble.

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Ideas, Jimmy, since you did the event?
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-Dragon Claw
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

well, replace Dclaw with EQ. hold item is definitely Salac berry

Lopunny @ Muscle Band/lagging tail
Run Away (is Klutz helpful at all?) - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch/switcheroo
-Return

Klutz is actually useful in this case. you can switch items on the opponent, however. If your forgoing elemental punches, e-vire, machamp, hitmonchan do the job a lot better.


Umbreon @ lefties
Synchronize

Mean Look
Baton Pass
Wish
Payback/dark pulse/protect/toxic

i'd prefer to have at least one dark attack on umbre, even if its only just support because taunt can totally cripple umbreon.

How would that be?

comments in bold

[Trombones13]

Roserade @ Wise Glasses
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb--This seemed to work well as an extra type coverage. I think I'd prefer it to Toxic Spikes, but I'm not sure.

extra type coverage? it only covers other grass types...oh, try for HP Fire, covers grass, bug, and steel which would give roserade some trouble.
HP Fire? Interesting... I like it.

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang
Done.

Lopunny @ Muscle Band/Lagging Tail
Klutz - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch/Switcheroo
-Return
OR
Machamp @ Muscle Band
Guts - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Cross Chop

Klutz is actually useful in this case. you can switch items on the opponent, however. If your forgoing elemental punches, e-vire, machamp, hitmonchan do the job a lot better.
What does Klutz do, exactly? I don't get it... I have both Elekid and Machop events with TIF Punches; think Machamp would be better due to Lanturn already being Electric? Why Lagging Tail--is that just for Lopunny; would Muscle Band be better on Machamp? And if I use Machamp, is Cross Chop the best bet for a STAB attack?

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Synchronize - Nature??
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback/Dark Pulse

i'd prefer to have at least one dark attack on umbre, even if its only just support because taunt can totally cripple umbreon.
I'm leaning toward Dark Pulse since it's stronger, but how's its Speed? If it's slow, would Payback be the better choice?

Comments/questions in bold; thanks.

[revelp8]

well for machamp i'd give it life orb or choice band, so that it really hits hard.

you'd go HP & ATK evs. close combat > cross chop as it has better accuracy and power.

klutz - This Pokémon both is unaffected by and will not utilize held items.

the nature on umbreon would be between careful/sassy. actually, payback would be stronger as umbreon is pretty slow and would attack last.

[Trombones13]

well for machamp i'd give it life orb or choice band, so that it really hits hard.

you'd go HP & ATK evs. close combat > cross chop as it has better accuracy and power.

klutz - This Pokémon both is unaffected by and will not utilize held items.

the nature on umbreon would be between careful/sassy. actually, payback would be stronger as umbreon is pretty slow and would attack last.
OK:

Roserade @ Wise Glasses
EVs:
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: (whatever they are now)
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs:
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs:
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Machamp @ CB
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP
Guts - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Close Combat

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs:
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

*needs EV help*

[revelp8]

OK:

Roserade @ choice specs/scarf
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe. please make sure the HP is an even number
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Machamp @ CB
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP
Guts - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Close Combat

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

*needs EV help*

all done kurt

[Trombones13]

Sounds good! :-D Just one quick question: Should max. HP for Charizard be divisible by 4?

[revelp8]

you got it!

[Baer]

mmm not having read the rules of the gyms,but have you considered a ditio in your team.

[Trombones13]

A Ditto?? I don't think its stats are up to par with a lot of Pokemon even in lower tiers, and it's too unpredictable for me...

[BugCatcher6]

well for machamp i'd give it life orb or choice band, so that it really hits hard.

you'd go HP & ATK evs. close combat > cross chop as it has better accuracy and power.

klutz - This Pokémon both is unaffected by and will not utilize held items.

the nature on umbreon would be between careful/sassy. actually, payback would be stronger as umbreon is pretty slow and would attack last.

Accuracy would not be a problem if the Machamp has No Guard ability. So then Dynamicpunch is your best option. Close Combat lowers your DEF/SP.DEF, while Dynamicpunch cause confusion 100% of the time and is the same power as Cross Chop.

[Trombones13]

A good point, Buzz makes. So, to those of you who battle often, should No Guard be chosen over Guts, and then changing Close Combat to Dynamicpunch?

[Sorgatani]

A good point, Buzz makes. So, to those of you who battle often, should No Guard be chosen over Guts, and then changing Close Combat to Dynamicpunch?

I think Guts is best utilized with either a Flame or Toxic Orb - because it only works with status effects. No Guard works well with moves like DynamicPunch, but remember that it makes the opponent's moves accuracy 100 as well.

[Trombones13]

OK; I understand. Now leaning toward No Guard.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Machamp @ CB
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP
No Guard - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Dynamicpunch

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Anything else? Thanks for the input! :-D

[revelp8]

OK; I understand. Now leaning toward No Guard.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Machamp @ CB
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 HP
No Guard - Adamant
-Thunderpunch
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Dynamicpunch

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Anything else? Thanks for the input! :-D

now that looks like a solid team!

[Slizer107]

The team you guys have come up with look greart, but i can see 1 problem, you have no speed in there really, maybe you need a crobat or espeon.

[S Tailor]

The team you guys have come up with look greart, but i can see 1 problem, you have no speed in there really, maybe you need a crobat or espeon.

Or... My favourites, Jolteon or Yanmega. I have some you can have if you want them, just PM me. Both are very effective

[Trombones13]

Using Marriland's Team Builder, I checked the weaknesses of my team. No types where 3 or more Pokemon are weak to it. Which Pokemon should I replace? I was thinking Machamp. Crobat and Yanmega both give my team big weaknesses to Electric and Ice; Jolteon and Espeon don't cause any major problems. Since Lanturn already covers Electric attacks and I have no real Psychic attacks, I think Espeon'd be the best bet.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Extrasensory
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses?
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP (?)
-Psychic
-HP Fighting
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball/Grass Knot
Mostly derived from Smogon's moveset.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

[Paiopa]

Why not give Espeon the psychic attack and replace extrasensory, on Roserade, with something like aromatherapy? That way you get the psychic attack (with STAB) and you have a team member that can cure your entire team of status effects.

[Trombones13]

Hmm; that could be a good idea... I'd agree with it.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses?
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP (?)
-Psychic
-HP Fighting
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball/Grass Knot
Mostly derived from Smogon's moveset.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Any more feedback on Espeon, or the team as a whole? If anyone has any Pokemon that would help me start breeding, I wouldn't say no to it. :lol: Seriously, though--if you have something that could help, I'd love it if we could negotiate a trade. PM me.

[Paiopa]

Another suggestion I can offer is your Umbreon. Having payback by itself won't really do much, since Umbreon's attack is really low. Most people combine this move with curse. Curse raises your atk and def, while lowering your speed (if you're not a ghost type). To make this set even more effective, throw in yawn.

[Keitaro]

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang


If possible you should trade your Bellyzard to an Emerald game, get the move tutor to teach it Fire Punch > Fire Fang, then trade it back to D/P. If not Fire Fang is just as good; still gets the STAB boost & is physical.

[revelp8]

If possible you should trade your Bellyzard to an Emerald game, get the move tutor to teach it Fire Punch > Fire Fang, then trade it back to D/P. If not Fire Fang is just as good; still gets the STAB boost & is physical.

you'd have to 3rd gen breed belly drum, have enough points for the move tutor fire punch and then pal park it >.>

[Trombones13]

Frankly, I don't have the patience or dedication to 3rd gen. breed... :(

Found this on GameSpot (Smogon's not responding):
Umbreon @ Leftovers
Sassy, 212 HP, 236 SpDef, 44 Atk, 16 Def
Curse
Baton Pass / Taunt
Wish / Moonlight
Payback / Pursuit

Dunno about the EVs, but I saw that most people put Curse in place of Mean Look. Mean Look doesn't really feel like it's that important to me, so:

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses?
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP (?)
-Psychic
-HP Fighting
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball/Grass Knot
Mostly derived from Smogon's moveset.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Curse
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Still need info. on Espeon's EVs, and now Umbreon's EVs and moveset. Thanks again, you guys! :-D

[Paiopa]

Hmm, I wouldn't underestimate the use of mean look. I have one on another umbreon and it really comes in handy. Baton pass on the set you have right now is actually useless, since you don't have anything that needs to be baton passed lol. If you put mean look, well then you're in business lol. That's umbreon's signature combo. As for evs, I recommend just maxing out the def and sp def and putting the rest into hp. In the end it's up to you, however.

As for Espeon, I'm not really sure myself. I'm in the process of training one and thinking of movesets. I know she's quick but pretty fragile. The set you have right now seems solid to me :)

[Trombones13]

All right; so it appears discussion needs to center on Umbreon for the moment:

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Curse
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

...or...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

[Paiopa]

All right; so it appears discussion needs to center on Umbreon for the moment:

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Curse
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

...or...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback


Uhh Kurt. For the first set those EV's aren't possible lol. That's more than 510.

For the second set, why is it 92? o.o Sorry to nit pick. Just confused with what you're doing here heh.

[Trombones13]

Ack; I screwed up when I copied them to the next post, I guess. I don't know why it's 92; Jimmy picked it and I went with it. Please see edited post, 2 above.

[Paiopa]

Ok I see the error in that. The first set's evs are what I have except 252 in both defences and 6 in hp.

As for the second ev set idk why Jimmy picked that. Because you have a bunch of evs left over. It should be 252 in both.

[Trombones13]

Ok I see the error in that. The first set's evs are what I have except 252 in both defences and 6 in hp.

As for the second ev set idk why Jimmy picked that. Because you have a bunch of evs left over. It should be 252 in both.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Curse
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback
is Jimmy's; has 508 EVs.
...or...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback
is Paiopa's; has 510 EVs.

Dunno...

[revelp8]

must've screwed up the post >.>

oh well, all fixed now right?

[Trombones13]

Yours is still missing 2 EVs.

[revelp8]

then put them in SpD :lol:

[Trombones13]

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 94 SpD / 164 Spe
Synchronize - Sassy
-Curse
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

...or...

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

[Paiopa]

Is there a prize involved for which set you pick? My choice or Jimmy's lol? :p

[Trombones13]

Uh, no... I was just trying to get input from anyone else. I think I'm leaning toward the Mean Look one myself.

[Paiopa]

Uh, no... I was just trying to get input from anyone else. I think I'm leaning toward the Mean Look one myself.

LOL that was only a joke Kurt. If you really wanna see how a mean look umbreon can perform I can battle you some other time and bring mine into the battle. That way you can decide for yourself. I'll also show you how this strategy can be used effectively with another team mate :)

[Trombones13]

Sounds like a plan; talk to me when I'm on tonight. :-D

And yes, I knew it was a joke; I guess I should've added: :lol:.

[Trombones13]

There hasn't been any response, so I'm thinking this is the final team:

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

I'll close this probably tomorrow if there's no final comments. Thanks for all your help, you guys! :-D

[Paiopa]

Have you thought about replacement moves for hidden power in case you have trouble getting the type you want?

[Trombones13]

Oh, yeah; HP breeding. *shudders*

How about Sleep Powder for Roserade and...Grass Knot for Espeon? *shrug*

[Paiopa]

Sleep powder for Roserade is a cool option. She has the speed to carry it off. Grass knot on espeon is an option but type coverage is not that great. Maybe using a move like reflect or light screen would be good, depending on what your team is weak against. Reflect to boost your team's physical def and light screen to boost your team's sp def.

[Trombones13]

Reflect it is.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire/Sleep Powder

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-T-Bolt
-Toxic

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting/Reflect
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

[BugCatcher6]

Your Lanturn could use Discharge over Thunderbolt. Discharge has a 30% chance to paralyze while Thunderbolt has 10%. Discharge is only 80 ATK while Thunderbolt is 95 ATK. Lanturn I like Confuse Ray also. Makes a nice ParaFusion Poké.



Surf
Ice Beam
Discharge
Confuse Ray

Lanturn can also have Signal Beam(bug), Psybeam(Psy), or Hydro Pump for big damage.

Signal and Psybeam don't have great coverage though, but Signal Beam can scare off Grass types.

[Whitdjinn]

I will tell you that I have never been disappointed that Psykick knows Grass Knot...just for what its worth it can sometimes be a big surprize and there are a LOT of water types out there that it hits very nicely, especially the bulky ones.

[Trombones13]

Your Lanturn could use Discharge over Thunderbolt. Discharge has a 30% chance to paralyze while Thunderbolt has 10%. Discharge is only 80 ATK while Thunderbolt is 95 ATK. Lanturn I like Confuse Ray also. Makes a nice ParaFusion Poké.



Surf
Ice Beam
Discharge
Confuse Ray

Lanturn can also have Signal Beam(bug), Psybeam(Psy), or Hydro Pump for big damage.

Signal and Psybeam don't have great coverage though, but Signal Beam can scare off Grass types.
That's exactly the Chinchou I have, from Momtaro's event. ...I've heard how well your Lanturn did; maybe I should just make it easier on myself and use that set.

I will tell you that I have never been disappointed that Psykick knows Grass Knot...just for what its worth it can sometimes be a big surprize and there are a LOT of water types out there that it hits very nicely, especially the bulky ones.
That's good to hear; I had thought of using it.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire/Sleep Powder

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 136 SpA / 252 SpD / 80 Spe
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting/Grass Knot/Reflect
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Anything else?

[BugCatcher6]

I will tell you that I have never been disappointed that Psykick knows Grass Knot...just for what its worth it can sometimes be a big surprize and there are a LOT of water types out there that it hits very nicely, especially the bulky ones.

I have a Raichu with Grass Knot, you should see how people react when they bring in a big ground type to earthquake it he-he.

[S Tailor]

The function of your Lanturn confuses me. It can't be a wall and a special attacker at the same time. And the evs are considering you are playing UU where you might outspeed something. Go Bulkier

[revelp8]

thats how it is functioned. takes the hit and hits back with STAB surf and discharge. without any SpA EVs it won't be hitting hard at all

[Trombones13]

Ooh; additional thanks for the strategic explanation, Jimmy. :-D I'm too inexperienced to figure any of this out... :rolleyes: ...I really want to get breeding! I have nicknames in mind for Espeon, Umbreon, and the new Roserade already. :-D

So, anything else?

[BugCatcher6]

First off to use Lanturn in any battle higher then UU, drop the SPD EVs to 36 EVs. It bumps Lanturn up to out speed base 70 SPD Pokémon, which most won't have a speed boosting nature or EVs. I like to put the rest into HP & SP.DEF. If you want a bit more pop in your attacks, which that is not the way to go with Lanturn, add some SP.ATK. Lanturn is basically there to switch in when you know you will be hit by Electric or you want to annoy another Water type.

I have swept teams of OU with my Lanturn.

The EVs you listed for Lanturn is the basic EVs used for every move-set and functional Lanturn. You are not going to be out speeding much, so 80 SPD EVs can be lowered to the 36. You can add the remaining 44 EVs to HP or SP.ATK.

40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF

I like

40 HP / 36 SPD / 180 SP.ATK / 252 SP.DEF

but the extra 12 in SP.DEF does not make a huge difference, so leaving it in SP.ATK will make a noticable difference.

Also I would not really consider a Pokémon with base 76 in SP.ATK and SP.DEF a sweeper or wall. Lanturn is however a specialty Pokémon. Used in the right situations, he can be awesome.

I always used a Shuca Berry to lessen earthquake, usually giving you a chance to confuse or an attack if you are super effective with your attacks. Rindo Berry also helps against Grass attacks, but you would be surprised at how few Grass attacks you see.

Also Brine can be 130 base power if your opponent is at or below half HP.

[Trombones13]

Takin' it from the Lanturn master, and a real man. :wink:

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire/Sleep Powder

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting/Grass Knot/Reflect
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

[BugCatcher6]

Takin' it from the Lanturn master, and a real man. :wink:

I know the saying is real men use Lanturn, but I believe it should be, only the stubborn survive.

Lanturn is one of those Pokémon that have terrible stats and weaknesses, but for some reason it can surprise people. Not sure how surprising a Lanturn is around this forum anymore.

Good luck with your team. Getting it down on paper is the easy part, now the fun starts.

[Trombones13]

Thanks! I'm really itching to get a team going so I can battle, and learn, and...a badge would be nice. :-D

I keep wanting to go breed, but then someone adds something that changes my mind. I feel...meh, helpless?...because my lack of battling knowledge keeps me from making educated decisions on things; right now, I just agreed with what you said, Buzz, because I know how well Lanturn's worked for you. Of course, that's why I started a thread instead of just PMing one person--offers multiple opinions. ...Why am I rambling on about this? If there's anything else to add, have at it, but if not, I'm gonna record the sets and start breeding.

Special thanks to Jimmy and Deneves for accommodating my breeding needs by providing another breeding partner for Charmander and Budew. :-D

[Sorgatani]

Good luck breeding your new team. May the RNG Deities smile on you!

[Gouswer]

This is weird, I wrote a big write up with suggestions and it keeps telling me that the message is too short :P


Takin' it from the Lanturn master, and a real man. :wink:

Well, I was waiting until the number of pokemon you listed was down to 6 before I helped you out, and it seems that it finally is :P

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire/Sleep Powder

May I ask why you're using Aromatheropy on a Specs pokemon, and Giga Drain instead of Leaf Storm? Once you use it you will be trapped into a useless move and it will give your opponent a chance to get a free switch-in and set up. Leaf Storm was made for the Specs set because of the raw power it has. Roserade's average speed and defenses stop it from being a full out sweeper, specially since you will be using it so early ingame and the opponent has all 6 of his pokemon redy to counter it. If you wish to keep him I would suggest to change him to the lead set which is

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid -252Spd, 252Sp.A
-Sleep Powder
-Toxic Spikes
-Grass Knot/Leaf Storm
-HP Fire

This lets you sleep one of your opponents pokemon and set up Toxic Spikes which are extremely useful. If you outspeed your opponent you use sleep powder. If it hits, then you will have one free turn to set up one layer, and then focus sash gives you another turn to set up another. From there you can choose to keep Roserade as death fodder or attempt to strike with one of his attacks.

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

I see that you're trying to imitate the Band set here,trying to rely on Hax to let you get free hits, but without the boost he's not as deadly as he would be with it. Replacing the item for a Choice Band would be my sugestion, but if you don't like the move restriction then you could also try out Life Orb.

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

I would suggest replacing Ice Beam for ThunderWave since your team is not very speedy and it would appreciate the support. The 30% chance of paralysys Discharge has is not very reliable. If you do change Ice Beam for ThunderWave then trade Discharge for Thunderbolt for the power boost.

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

I was never too keen on using Charizard in battles. As cool as he may look, the fact that he takes 50% damage from stealth rock as soon as he switches in makes this strategy pretty much useless. Even more since everybody knows about the famous BellyZard. I would suggest changing this for one of the pokemon that I will mention at the end.

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting/Grass Knot/Reflect
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

I gues there's nothing wrong with this :P

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Now, this Umbreon set seems good on paper, but trust me once you use it on battles it's not what you expected. Your opponent will set up on this pokemon, Payback does laughable damage unless it hits for super effective. In fact, I have this very own pokemon, and I believe it only helped me once ;-;. Anyone who battles knows Umbreon as a Mean Look passer, so there is no counting on the element of surprise. The fact that none of your pokemon, except perhaps Lanturn, are bulky enough to serve as counter makes this strategyeven more undependable. I would again suggest changing this for one of the members I will suggest at the end of this

The main problem with your team is that it looks as if were 6 random pokemon you like thrown together. It has little team synergy. As of know, DDDos with one DD under its belt will outright sweep your team. The only one who has a chance of surviving a hit from it is Umbreon, and what will it do? Use Payback of a 65 base attack :P? A smart player would just keep on setting up once he sees it. SDLuke will also be a pain to it. He resists Honchcrow's Sucker Punch, and has Extremspeed to KO your team members which are faster than it. If somehow Evire gets a speed boost from lanturn, then it will be pretty hard for you to get back on the game. Most of the troubles your team has right now are on the Physical Defensive side. I would suggest trading Umbreon for a Physical Swamptert. It will give your team SR support, aswell as keep those physical threats in control. This doesn't mean that they have no way to beat you, but you're not as helpless as before. As for the Bellyzard, you could pick from a wide veriety of sweepers to trade it for. My favorite sweeper at the moment is SDLuke, it rips your team appart lategame. I'm sure I could find pokemons that could work better than the ones you have now if I looked more, but I just wanted to point out the biggest flaws first. Really the only way to know what is wrong with your team is to test it out on Shoddy, and keep notes.




EDIT: It worked now =D

[revelp8]

for the leftovers, have them as events!

that's what I do :D

[Trombones13]

This is weird, I wrote a big write up with suggestions and it keeps telling me that the message is too short :P



EDIT: It worked now =D
It's b/c the stuff in quotes doesn't count as characters; you need 10 outside of the quotes. Anyway...


Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fire/Sleep Powder

May I ask why you're using Aromatheropy on a Specs pokemon, and Giga Drain instead of Leaf Storm? Once you use it you will be trapped into a useless move and it will give your opponent a chance to get a free switch-in and set up. Leaf Storm was made for the Specs set because of the raw power it has. Roserade's average speed and defenses stop it from being a full out sweeper, specially since you will be using it so early ingame and the opponent has all 6 of his pokemon redy to counter it. If you wish to keep him I would suggest to change him to the lead set which is

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid -252Spd, 252Sp.A
-Sleep Powder
-Toxic Spikes
-Grass Knot/Leaf Storm
-HP Fire

This lets you sleep one of your opponents pokemon and set up Toxic Spikes which are extremely useful. If you outspeed your opponent you use sleep powder. If it hits, then you will have one free turn to set up one layer, and then focus sash gives you another turn to set up another. From there you can choose to keep Roserade as death fodder or attempt to strike with one of his attacks.

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

I see that you're trying to imitate the Band set here,trying to rely on Hax to let you get free hits, but without the boost he's not as deadly as he would be with it. Replacing the item for a Choice Band would be my sugestion, but if you don't like the move restriction then you could also try out Life Orb.

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

I would suggest replacing Ice Beam for ThunderWave since your team is not very speedy and it would appreciate the support. The 30% chance of paralysys Discharge has is not very reliable. If you do change Ice Beam for ThunderWave then trade Discharge for Thunderbolt for the power boost.

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

I was never too keen on using Charizard in battles. As cool as he may look, the fact that he takes 50% damage from stealth rock as soon as he switches in makes this strategy pretty much useless. Even more since everybody knows about the famous BellyZard. I would suggest changing this for one of the pokemon that I will mention at the end.

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-HP Fighting/Grass Knot/Reflect
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

I gues there's nothing wrong with this :P

Umbreon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 6 HP
Synchronize - Sassy
-Mean Look
-Baton Pass
-Wish
-Payback

Now, this Umbreon set seems good on paper, but trust me once you use it on battles it's not what you expected. Your opponent will set up on this pokemon, Payback does laughable damage unless it hits for super effective. In fact, I have this very own pokemon, and I believe it only helped me once ;-;. Anyone who battles knows Umbreon as a Mean Look passer, so there is no counting on the element of surprise. The fact that none of your pokemon, except perhaps Lanturn, are bulky enough to serve as counter makes this strategyeven more undependable. I would again suggest changing this for one of the members I will suggest at the end of this

The main problem with your team is that it looks as if were 6 random pokemon you like thrown together. It has little team synergy. As of know, DDDos with one DD under its belt will outright sweep your team. The only one who has a chance of surviving a hit from it is Umbreon, and what will it do? Use Payback of a 65 base attack :P? A smart player would just keep on setting up once he sees it. SDLuke will also be a pain to it. He resists Honchcrow's Sucker Punch, and has Extremspeed to KO your team members which are faster than it. If somehow Evire gets a speed boost from lanturn, then it will be pretty hard for you to get back on the game. Most of the troubles your team has right now are on the Physical Defensive side. I would suggest trading Umbreon for a Physical Swamptert. It will give your team SR support, aswell as keep those physical threats in control. This doesn't mean that they have no way to beat you, but you're not as helpless as before. As for the Bellyzard, you could pick from a wide veriety of sweepers to trade it for. My favorite sweeper at the moment is SDLuke, it rips your team appart lategame. I'm sure I could find pokemons that could work better than the ones you have now if I looked more, but I just wanted to point out the biggest flaws first. Really the only way to know what is wrong with your team is to test it out on Shoddy, and keep notes.
*is overwhelmed and really unknowledgeable* :(
That's a ton of info.; I'll have to read it over more thoroughly later. For now, if anyone wants to comment on my set vs. Gouswer's, go ahead. Keep in mind that a lot of your Smogon terminology goes over my head and that I can't use Shoddy on this computer because it can't download. >_>

[revelp8]

man, that's so much standard stuff from smogon :o

I would change it up for roserade to have sleep powder and leaf storm, as giga drain ain't gonna keep it alive for much anyways. He can keep charizard if he wants to, but kurt, you would need a rapid spinner. that can replace the umbreon and give you the much needed support

uhm

Forrestress @ lefties
Impish/bold
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 atk

spikes/stealth rock
explosion
Gyro Ball
rapid spin

helps you with the lack of a physical wall, sets up with spikes or stealth rock, your choice. and then if they bring in a fire type (with prediction of course) explode away. All in all, its your team kurt, we're only providing suggestions, if you want to take the advice or not, its totally up to you K? :D

[Trombones13]

Hey! That's pretty convenient. For Breeders & Battlers, I had to do a physical wall, and I did Forretress. The moveset was that, except EQ instead of Gyro Ball, but I don't think I bred for the attacks since they were all level-up moves. I opt for that. :-D

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Poison Point - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sleep Powder

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
-Psychic
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Forretress @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 Atk

Spikes
Explosion
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin

[BugCatcher6]

This is weird, I wrote a big write up with suggestions and it keeps telling me that the message is too short :P



EDIT: It worked now =D

He could still get away with running Aromatherapy on the Rosarade. If he just comes in to use it and gets out. Makes the move-set tighter, but serves a purpose somewhat.

Also yes your team is random, don't let others sway your decision on your team. If anything battle it and learn what works and what doesn't. Forget about what is Hax or worrying about the big OU team. You can learn from this team. I don't like the phrase Hax being used. What makes an item HAX?
So if I use a King's Rock for a 10% chance to make an opponent flinch, which only gives you 10% if your move does not land it's secondary effect. So with King's Rock, Ice Beam has a 10% chance to freeze, if it does not freeze then you have a 10% chance to flinch, which one is the HAX?

Tell me though the Scope Lens in question raise critical hit rate 1 stage, which would aggrivate you more, Ice Beam with a 10% chance to freeze you freezing you or a Super Scope critical hit on a Pokémon that already has a critical hit rate boost? So Super Luck is a HAX ability? Serene Grace?


Sorry, I will not go deeper into the HAX item rant.

[Trombones13]

He could still get away with running Aromatherapy on the Rosarade. If he just comes in to use it and gets out. Makes the move-set tighter, but serves a purpose somewhat.

Also yes your team is random, don't let others sway your decision on your team. If anything battle it and learn what works and what doesn't. Forget about what is Hax or worrying about the big OU team. You can learn from this team. I don't like the phrase Hax being used. What makes an item HAX?
So if I use a King's Rock for a 10% chance to make an opponent flinch, which only gives you 10% if your move does not land it's secondary effect. So with King's Rock, Ice Beam has a 10% chance to freeze, if it does not freeze then you have a 10% chance to flinch, which one is the HAX?

Tell me though the Scope Lens in question raise critical hit rate 1 stage, which would aggrivate you more, Ice Beam with a 10% chance to freeze you freezing you or a Super Scope critical hit on a Pokémon that already has a critical hit rate boost? So Super Luck is a HAX ability? Serene Grace?


Sorry, I will not go deeper into the HAX item rant.
That's exactly what I went for when building Murkrow for Pokemon Academy (well, actually, when I evolved it afterwards): I saw that it had Super Luck and exploited it with a high-crit move and a high-crit item. If only it or Absol could learn Focus Energy...

Anyway, back to the team. I honestly think it's good...for now, at least. If there's anything else, let me know.

[BugCatcher6]

That's exactly what I went for when building Murkrow for Pokemon Academy (well, actually, when I evolved it afterwards): I saw that it had Super Luck and exploited it with a high-crit move and a high-crit item. If only it or Absol could learn Focus Energy...

Anyway, back to the team. I honestly think it's good...for now, at least. If there's anything else, let me know.

On paper every team looks good. Don't get discouraged if it does not pay off right away. You will find that some work and some don't. Just keep at it and keep molding your team. Trial and error.

[Paiopa]

*finishes reading all the posts and wipes the sweat off his forehead* Wow this thing sure got updated quickly in the one day I wasn't on o.O Lots of good suggestions. Kurt, one thing I can recommend for Roserade after reading all this is if you think giga drain just won't cut it you could always try energy ball. That's more powerful than giga drain and can take more advantage of choice specs I guess. If you want even bigger power then use leaf storm like Gouswer suggested. Just keep in mind each time you use leaf storm your sp atk falls 2 stages. If you want aromatherapy and still want to use the special attacks listed, then replace choice specs with wise glasses. Wise glasses boosts special attack just not as much as choice specs. And you're not locked into using just one move.

Forrestress seems like a good idea. I think it's better to keep that than umbreon. As much as I hate a hash on one of my fav pokes, Gouswer was right. Payback alone is not going to cut it :( Overall, I think your team is coming together nicely. It's a little random like some have said but there's nothing wrong with that. You'll figure out how to use them together effectively the more you battle :)

[BugCatcher6]

*finishes reading all the posts and wipes the sweat off his forehead* Wow this thing sure got updated quickly in the one day I wasn't on o.O Lots of good suggestions. Kurt, one thing I can recommend for Roserade after reading all this is if you think giga drain just won't cut it you could always try energy ball. That's more powerful than giga drain and can take more advantage of choice specs I guess. If you want even bigger power then use leaf storm like Gouswer suggested. Just keep in mind each time you use leaf storm your sp atk falls 2 stages. If you want aromatherapy and still want to use the special attacks listed, then replace choice specs with wise glasses. Wise glasses boosts special attack just not as much as choice specs. And you're not locked into using just one move.

Forrestress seems like a good idea. I think it's better to keep that than umbreon. As much as I hate a hash on one of my fav pokes, Gouswer was right. Payback alone is not going to cut it :( Overall, I think your team is coming together nicely. It's a little random like some have said but there's nothing wrong with that. You'll figure out how to use them together effectively the more you battle :)

Every build for Umbreon has Payback on it. Umbreon is slow, it gets hit first and can take hits, so Payback is always doubled, so let's see 50 base pow you get hit it is then 100 base power.

The only move-set it is not used on is the Trap Passer, but that move-set has no attacks.

Umbreon without Payback is like a Miltank without Milk Drink, kinda takes away from it's reason for being.

For Giga Drain you could use the hold item Big Root for a 30% increase in the HP gained. But 50 damage = 25 HP + 30% = 32.5 HP restored, still not super, but if you only use it on super effective it can show promise and any HP back is nice. If you use Natural Cure Rosarade then you could use Rest & switch out to heal sleep.

[Paiopa]

Every build for Umbreon has Payback on it. Umbreon is slow, it gets hit first and can take hits, so Payback is always doubled, so let's see 50 base pow you get hit it is then 100 base power.

The only move-set it is not used on is the Trap Passer, but that move-set has no attacks.

Umbreon without Payback is like a Miltank without Milk Drink, kinda takes away from it's reason for being.

For Giga Drain you could use the hold item Big Root for a 30% increase in the HP gained. But 50 damage = 25 HP + 30% = 32.5 HP restored, still not super, but if you only use it on super effective it can show promise and any HP back is nice. If you use Natural Cure Rosarade then you could use Rest & switch out to heal sleep.

Well, then I must be the only trainer who doesn't have payback on his umbreon lol. I use a completely different set that works well for me so far. Payback is good for the reason you mentioned, but if you have curse to go with it then that really helps.

I also have a trap passer set but still experimenting with it. I usually combine that strategy with another team member who can benefit from the mean look + baton pass strategy.

That suggestion for Roserade is good. Forgot it had natural cure so that is an option ;)

[Trombones13]

My current Roserade has Giga Drain, and I really like it. It also has Energy Ball, but I don't really use it, because I've preferred to receive the HP gain. I'd like to keep Giga Drain, then; the question is if I want to keep Aromatherapy or switch it for something else, like Rest. I think I prefer Aromatherapy because Roserade's meant to be a lead, so shouldn't it be able to hit with a variety of moves? Just my thinking; maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about. :P

[Paiopa]

My current Roserade has Giga Drain, and I really like it. It also has Energy Ball, but I don't really use it, because I've preferred to receive the HP gain. I'd like to keep Giga Drain, then; the question is if I want to keep Aromatherapy or switch it for something else, like Rest. I think I prefer Aromatherapy because Roserade's meant to be a lead, so shouldn't it be able to hit with a variety of moves? Just my thinking; maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about. :P

Fair enough. If you like the move giga drain then that's as good a reason as any to keep it. Remember, these are YOUR pokemon so it's important to give them moves you like using :) Rest is good for benefitting Roserade by itself. Aromatherapy benefit roserade and the team. The thing I like about using that move with her is because of the natural cure ability you won't have to worry about her being hit with a status move like sleep. She can just switch out and come back in whenever to use aromatherapy ya know? With that in mind, I'd recommend to keep the move but it's entirely up to you man :D

[Trombones13]

With Rest+Aromatherapy, would Roserade still be a good leading Pokemon, or should I revert to one of the sweepers instead?

[Paiopa]

With Rest+Aromatherapy, would Roserade still be a good leading Pokemon, or should I revert to one of the sweepers instead?

If you plan on keeping aromatherapy then I recommend you don't use rest and save that slot for another special atk move. Think of it this way..

opponent uses burn or paralyze on you
you switch out and you're cured. You don't want to use aromatherpy in this case, because if your opponent knows you have it early on they'll focus their efforts on taking out roserade before they can put status effects on the rest of your team. Natural cure will remove the status effect anyway so no big deal. You want to save roserade for later.

send out another pokemon. The opponent uses a status move. Depending on if the status move is a big threat to you right now THEN you bring out roserade and use aromatherapy. Or you wait until a little later in the game to start using it when the status inducer on your opponent's team has been eliminated. Strategy is key.

Do you see what I mean? If you still want rest then add that, but imo, I think you're wasting a slot that could be used for an attacking move.

[Trombones13]

That makes sense; thanks. :-D

Roserade @ Choice Specs
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Natural Cure - Modest
-Aromatherapy
-Giga Drain
-Shadow Ball
-Sleep Powder

Honchkrow @ Scope Lens
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Super Luck - Adamant
-Night Slash
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing
-Sucker Punch

Lanturn @ Shell Bell
EVs: 40 HP / 36 SPD / 192 SP.ATK / 240 SP.DEF
Volt Absorb - Calm
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Discharge
-Confuse Ray

Bellyzard @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Blaze - Jolly
-Belly Drum
-EQ
-Substitute
-Fire Fang

Espeon @ Wise Glasses
252 SpAtk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
Synchronize - Timid
-Psychic
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

Forretress @ Leftovers
Sturdy - Impish
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 Atk
-Spikes
-Explosion
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin

[Paiopa]

Np. Glad to help :)